I'm looking for official rules for Shadowrun 5th edition (4th would be close enough) for damaging and losing limbs. Specifically I'd like to know how some augmentation would help a character survive and how do you determine what limbs are prone to damage.
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1Well, SR's had prosthesis for basically forever, and now you can even choose between regrowing or having a cybernetic replacement. Are you talking more about the recovery process, or more about the process of damaging/losing limbs? – Kyle Willey Mar 05 '14 at 16:44
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1Make sure to read the whole question, not just the title ;) – Mar 05 '14 at 16:46
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1I'm interested in this too. Are there rules for it? Possibly not, but I think there should be. It's the perfect setting where you can lose limbs and still have a playable character. – mcv Mar 05 '14 at 16:54
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@MrJinPengyou I was more curious about what you mean by "help a character survive", since that can mean either rehabilitation after the fact or prevention. – Kyle Willey Mar 06 '14 at 01:58
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Bone lacing would definitely help you resist limb loss for instance – Mar 06 '14 at 02:01
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4Oddly enough, while Shadowrun's setting includes the concept of limbs being lost or crippled in combat and replaced with cybernetics, several version of its game mechanics do not feature permanent injury of this kind except by GM intervention. I suspect this is because the essence loss that attends replacement would mean that many magic-using characters would be forced to choose between remaining crippled and losing magical power, and having to take a permanent disadvantage either way. I wouldn't want to play an adept in such a system. – GMJoe Mar 06 '14 at 03:32
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@GMJoe Maybe very expensive magic can restore the limb without essence loss? But I think it should be a less attractive option than cybernetics for most people. – mcv Mar 06 '14 at 10:31
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Augmentation has rules in regard to Magic Loss due to severe injury. One of the statements in there is that while Essence may be restored through one procedure, Magic Rating lost in this way is not restored ("Revitalization" p89, Augmentation). My assumption is that at that point, the Mage must act just as they would have if they had sacrificed Essence and Magic Rating due to cyberware implantation. No one said that survivability was particularly high for runners, right? – Jason M. Batchelor Mar 06 '14 at 18:23
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@GMJoe It's also worth pointing out that Augmentation lists "Limb Loss" under an Optional rule on p.120. So, yes, it really depends on the GM being either lenient, or a combination of the character being dumb/caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. – Jason M. Batchelor Mar 06 '14 at 18:26
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SR4 Core doesn't have any rule for localized damage.
Arsenal details how pieces of armor work together, and each piece has its own armor ratings that applies to the whole body. Like trousers give 1/1, jacket gives 3/1, so wearing both gives 4/2. There is no "trousers only prevent damage to the legs."
About augmentations, SR4A p.343 :
When a particular limb is used for a test (such as leading an attack with your cyberarm), use the attribute for that limb (natural or cyber); in any other case, take the average value of all limbs involved in the task (round down). If a task requires the careful coordination of several limbs, use the value of the weakest limb.
As I understand it, Damage Resistance tests use the average Body and Armor ratings of all limbs.
EDIT: As Kyle said, Augmentations have optional rules for severe wounds.
Try 4th Edition's Augmentation
Augmentation may be for Fourth Edition, so you will need to do some minor conversions, but it does explicitly have a section on Advanced Wounds (much as 3rd Edition's Man and Machine did).
Limb Loss: The character is separated from his arm or another limb in a fashion that sprays blood everywhere. Arterial blood is under high pressure and can easily spurt up to 6 meters—be creative. The character suffers additional wound penalties and begins dying. The character begins taking additional damage as if from Physical Damage Overflow (p. 244, SR4) until stabi-lized. A transplant or cyberlimb replacement is in his future.
(Augmentation, p.121)
Note that there are specific situations for incoming damage which lead to this in-game, but the mechanic is pretty solid; you count as being bleeding out and you take more wound penalties.
Furthermore, there are rules for other nasty injuries in Augmentation, if you're interested. Of course, 5th Edition's combat guide is due out soon, so I don't know if I'd jump to the 4th Edition rules for injury right now (especially since there is some slight difference in the way damage works), but if you absolutely have to you can.
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Assuming you don't have access to 4th Ed. Augmentation, or don't like the optional rules in there for severe wounds (p.120), I'd be prone to following something along these lines.
If a character loses a limb, apply the usual modifiers... If you just shot a guy's weapon-bearing arm with a shotgun loaded with HE rounds, and it exceeds the armor rating for that zone, assume he had lost use of that limb (you get to make up the details) and he is now forced to deal with wound modifiers as well as off-hand (no pun intended) modifiers if he continues to fight. Adjust this for the drama of the situation, whether it was cyberware that got blown off (depending on where hit and the extensiveness of the cyberware, they may not bleed out, per se, but the biofeedback shock to the system could still be fairly staggering for at least one initiative segment), the importance of the character (redshirt NPC vs. pivotal NPC vs. PC), and how gritty you've made your game.
Tin Foil Hat moment:
I remember reading a long time ago (around 2nd or 3rd ed.) that the DR tests and damage system was built to simulate not only gross system damage (i.e. how much meat is now lying on the ground) but also the harder to judge side effects of blood loss and shock. I know there have been systems that tried to simulate on a more granular level (I seem to recall Twilight 2k), but Core SR errs in the side of storytelling in this case, and, I believe, expects players and GMs to apply some common sense.
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3Is there any SR-related evidence for this latter suggestion? The question explicitly mentions official content. – Kyle Willey Mar 06 '14 at 01:56
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As I did not have reference close at hand (go ahead, ding me again for the pun), I deserve the down vote, though obviously someone was able to find the material in question in Augmentation. – Jason M. Batchelor Mar 06 '14 at 16:56
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As for SR-related evidence, I'm talking about simply applying the established rules for off-hand weapon use, and the normal modifiers for your damage track. – Jason M. Batchelor Mar 06 '14 at 18:42
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I'm pretty sure that has been established. Are you requesting I remove my answer? – Jason M. Batchelor Mar 07 '14 at 01:28
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No, I think it's fine; I've seen much more off-topic ones, and you had a decent precedent. Personally, I don't like the Augmentation passages, since they feel a little loose for Shadowrun (which normally has nice and clean rules).
Also, I just read the edits, and your answer looks a lot better now.
– Kyle Willey Mar 07 '14 at 03:03