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Russian chess supergrandmaster Sergey Karjakin (Pro-Putin, but Ukrainian-born) says in tweets here and here to international master Kostya Kavutskiy:

Have you also collected money for the residents of Donbass, whom the Ukrainian army has been bombing for the last 8 years? You can come there and go, for example, to the Alley of Angels, which was built in honor of the children of Donbass who died from the shelling of Ukrainian criminals. Still funny?

What is the meaning exactly of Ukraine was bombing Donbass for 8 years? In particular, I checked Wikipedia Russo-Ukrainian War, and it looks like just 1 year: 2014–2015 war in Donbas.

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The war in Donbas has lasted for the past 8 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_war_in_Donbas

In particular, the current battle over Sloviansk and Kramatorsk is largely a reversal of a similar 2014 battle, when Ukraine recaptured it from the Donbas republics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Sloviansk

The war went mostly in Ukraine's favor. By 2017, Ukrainian forces reached to only a few miles away from Donetsk, one of the capitals, making it vulnerable. However, throughout the war, it appears that capturing large cities has proven very difficult for either side.

The Ukrainian-populated cities have stayed with Kyiv. The cities that were part of the initial uprising have stayed with the rebels. The cities that were on the edge have changed hands, sometimes several times. For instance, Sloviansk initially had popular protests, but the police only surrendered when DNR forces arrived, rather than switch sides outright.

Another difference that probably explains the war's low publicity in 2015-2021 is that the fighting was between Ukraine and its internal separatist movement, while Russia restricted its involvement to covert support and equipment for the latter. It just isn't as exciting a story.

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  • 2 - Re 'in 2015-2021 is that the fighting was between Ukraine and its internal separatist movement' Sooo what exactly is Sergey talking about: Sergey is accusing Ukraine of unjustifiably bombing Donbass separatists (or even committing war crimes there?) leading to the deaths of the children featured in the alley of angels? 3 - And in particular as a pro-Putin person, Sergey supports the separatists since Russia, specifically Putin, supported the separatists? 4 - But from the POV of the anti-Putin/anti-Russia, the separatists were wrong and Ukraine was right? – BCLC Jul 09 '22 at 12:43
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  • The article simply skips over that part as less important. 2. I can't comment on the personalities. The short story is, two mostly-Russian regions split off from Ukraine in 2014, trying to follow Crimea, and Ukraine has been attempting to reconquer them for 8 years. Like any war in a populated area, it involved civilian and child casualties.
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  • Thanks. Re ' can't comment on the personalities.' --> Is this addressing (3) and (4) ? – BCLC Jul 09 '22 at 13:36
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    Yes, for (3) and (4), IDK who is pro-whom. I think there's also a position that neither side was right in resolving this through warfare. – Therac Jul 09 '22 at 13:52
  • HK-51, would a pro-Putin person be necessarily pro-separatists? – BCLC Jul 09 '22 at 16:13
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    @BCLC They'd have to be. But the reverse is not always the case. It's possible to support the people of Donbas, but disagree on what means are best for helping them. – Therac Jul 09 '22 at 20:07
  • @HK-51 If you disagree with a group of people, how can you support them? – convert Jul 10 '22 at 11:08
  • @convert 'If you disagree with a group of people, how can you support them?' --> Huh? HK-51 was talking about disagreeing with Putin not disagreeing with the people of Donbas or the separatists? – BCLC Jul 10 '22 at 16:44
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    Isn't it a little bit (or a lot) disingenuous to say "[in 2014] Ukraine took [Sloviansk] from the Donbas republics" without mentioning that the Donbas "republic" had taken Sloviansk from Ukraine immediately before that? – Reasonably Against Genocide Jul 11 '22 at 13:22
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    (based on past experience, the above comment will probably get me a one-month site ban; oh well) – Reasonably Against Genocide Jul 11 '22 at 13:23
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    @user253751 It's a simple statement of fact, and the context regarding DNR's legitimacy is well-known. I've addressed this as a military question, avoiding the latter debate. – Therac Jul 12 '22 at 04:42
  • HK-51 oh yeah I forgot. Why does it say '2014–2015 war in Donbas' instead of '2014–2022 war in Donbas' ? Ah because 'Russia restricted its involvement to covert support and equipment for the latter' refers to 2015-21? – BCLC Jul 16 '22 at 04:03
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    @BCLC I think it's just how the content is arranged in the Wikipedia article. 2014-2015 was a particularly active time, with a lot of news reporting. The next 7 years had relatively little overall movement of the frontlines. Just less to write about. – Therac Jul 16 '22 at 09:54