Dice Notation - Dice that start at 0

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In the past I've toyed with playing games using dice numbered from 0 instead of 1.

So, for example, playing a d20 system game with 3d8, numbered 0 to 7, treating a roll of 21 as an automatic success and a 0 as critical failure.

What kind of dice notation would one use when writing about this?

What would you even call a die numbered from 0 to distinguish it from normal dice?

score 35 · Accepted Answer · edited Mar 31 '18 at 12:42

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According to Wikipedia, this is called zero bias notation^{(retrieved Aug 31, 2010)}. You simply replace the “d” with a “z” and the old highest die value with the new one. So your example of three eight-sided dice marked 0–7 would be written as 3z7.

The only reference the Wikipedia article provided for this was an RPGnet post. I've never seen any signs that the notation caught on anywhere, but I do like it as a system.

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answered Aug 31 '10 at 19:17

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in case anyone's looking for it, the zero bias notation part of that wikipedia entry was removed 3.5 years ago. :) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dice_notation&diff=399482037&oldid=395326318 – Rob Starling Feb 18 '14 at 18:57
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It looks like this is now part of the cycle of citogenesis – LeguRi Mar 20 '14 at 05:54
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@RobStarling You might want to add that information to the answer directly. – Angelo Fuchs Aug 04 '14 at 05:23
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It is worthy to note that the Troll programming language (for specifying die-rolls) had already implemented this notation in march 2009. This predates both the RPGnet post and the Wikipedia entry. It is possible, albeit unlikely, that Torben Mogensen (the maker of Troll) was the one to conceive this notation. Also, in modern parlance it seems to be more common to refer to these dice as zero-based rather than "zero biased". – DarkAlf Mar 30 '18 at 23:22

Adam Dray · Answer 2 · 2010-08-31T20:09:23.223

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If I had to design a notation from scratch, I wouldn't use the zero bias notation (3z8) at all. The "z" is a little arcane for my tastes.

I'd prefix the die size with a zero: 3d08.

ETA: But, you know, 3d8-3 also works.

Geeky stuff, in case you're looking to write a dice roller or something:

For more power, use a range operator: 3d[0-7].

For even more power, use a set operator: 3d{0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7}.

This lets you express all kinds of weird dice, like Fudge dice for example: 4d{+1,-1,0}.

More power, allow strings or strings-value pairs in the sets: 3d{CABBAGE:1, GOAT:3, WOLF:-3, BOAT:0, PERSON:9} or 1d{ADAM, BOBBY, CHRIS}.

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answered Aug 31 '10 at 19:27

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I like the answer, but dice notation is to be read by normal people, not computers nor software developers. Using the set syntax... you might as well write it out in words! :P – LeguRi Aug 31 '10 at 19:48
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... but I like 3d08 – LeguRi Aug 31 '10 at 19:49
I wasn't sure if you were inventing notation for casual use, a game text, or a dice roller / dice stats program. – Adam Dray Aug 31 '10 at 20:07
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Added a note that 3d8-3 works fine, too. – Adam Dray Aug 31 '10 at 20:09
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@Adam Dray - Shhhhhhh... no one had noticed that yet... ;) – LeguRi Aug 31 '10 at 20:21
The only flaw with 3d08 is that if someone doesn't already know what it is, they're going to read it as a quirky way of saying 3d8. – Bryant Sep 01 '10 at 02:56
are you talking about anydice? – edgerunner Dec 15 '11 at 13:47
I'm reading 3d8-3 as, well, 3d8-3. Looks like some sort of skill check to me. – Jason_c_o Apr 06 '18 at 09:17

score 17 · Answer 3 · answered Jun 14 '12 at 20:23

The standard notation mode for this, using your 3d8, is 3d8-3, in the form NdX-N.

Zero-Bias notation (NzX) has never caught on, and would be presumed by many (including myself) to be a typographical error if seen without clear context. Worse, for dyslexics, including me, it can look very much like 3s8 or 328.

If your game uses only one size of die, and is always zero-biased, then using a letter code instead of the size might be a viable option.

For example, Fudge uses 4d3-8, written as 4dF, with 1dF = 1d3-2 (for a range of -1 to +1).

For example: the Stress Die in Ars Magica is sometimes fan-written 1dS, and is read specially - a 1 is "x2 and roll again" (Recursively), a 0 is a fail on an initial roll, or a 10 on a subsequent roll, while 2-9 are read as face value. In the editions I have, it's always written out as "stress die"...

1dA or 1dAv is a d6 marked 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5. It's used in a few older wargame sets, usually by approximation with standard d6's reading 1 as 3 and 6 as 4.

Note that dF is becoming fairly well known, but still puzzles many; dA are a historical footnote for RPGers.

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