didn't use to vs are not used to?

Question

Can I use this both forms interchangeably:

People who didn't use to (such abbreviations)...

People who are not used to (such abbreviations)...

I don't really feel /see the difference between these forms. For me the first sentence would be more natural, but in the text I was reading, the second form was used and it drew my attention.

What would be the difference between them?

Thanks.

Your first example in ungrammatical English. See this post at our sister site ELU. — P. E. Dant Reinstate Monica, Jul 02 '17 at 09:50
@P.E.Dant, ok thanks, but this post doesn't actually answer my question. I'm not asking about the difference between didn't use to vs didn't used to. — Marcel, Jul 02 '17 at 11:02
I left this out of my explanation; there are actually *three forms: to be used to [doing something]; I used to [do something], a defective form; and to use. People who didn't use to tell lies, shouldn't start now. So, your 1) is OK but is not the same form* as two. — Lambie, Jul 03 '17 at 14:57
@Lambie His 1st is wrong since there isn't a verb after didn't use to — SovereignSun, Jul 04 '17 at 06:19

score 3 · Answer 1 · edited Jul 03 '17 at 17:17

The idiom is: to be used to something.

Present: People who aren't used [or are not used to] to wearing green [etc.]

Simple Past: People who were weren't [or were not used] to wearing green [etc.]

PP: People who haven't been used to [or have not been used to] wearing green [etc.]

Often, English language learners confuse to be used to something with the verb to use something and the defective imperfect form: I used to [do something].

The form didn't use is the simple past tense of the verb use and is not related to the idiom given at the beginning of this answer. The verb use works like this in the SP:

He didn't use the paper I left on top of the printer.

The form of I used to [do something]. I used to play tennis=defective imperfect tense. Negative*: I didn't use to play tennis, the negative is not so common.

For repeat actions in the past.

There is the negative form "didn't use to" of "used to" (past actions and states). Consider: "He didn't use to play with her a lot when they were kids" — SovereignSun, Jul 02 '17 at 16:46
@SovereignSun One cannot cover every single thing under the sun. I was not commenting on "personal pronoun + used to". As in: I used to play football. That is another thing. And not the confusion of the asker. — Lambie, Jul 03 '17 at 14:55

score 1 · Accepted Answer · answered Jul 02 '17 at 16:42

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The expression is "be used to*".

If you are used to something, you are accustomed to it – you don’t find it unusual. If you get used to something or you are getting used to something you are becoming accustomed to it – it was strange, now it’s not so strange. (LearnEnglish - British Council)

Both ‘be used to’ and ‘get used to’ are followed by a noun (or pronoun) or the gerund – the ‘ing’ form of a verb

This concerns your second example, which is correct and appropriate:

People who are not used to such abbreviations. (Correct)

The first sentence is incorrect grammatically since "didn't use to" is applied incorrectly in the sentence.

We use ‘used to’ to talk about things that happened in the past – actions or states – that no longer happen now.

The negative is ‘didn’t use to’ and questions are formed with ‘Did you use to …?’

People who didn't use to such abbreviations. (Incorrect)
People who didn't use to understand such abbreviations. (Correct)

answered Jul 02 '17 at 16:42

SovereignSun

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The negative form of "used to" is contentious. So citation is needed for the latter part. Following Garner, I would say it should didn't used to. – Mohd Zulkanien Sarbini Jul 02 '17 at 17:38
@user178049 Didn't used to is incorrect, the didn't use to is simply the past negative of the past used to. – SovereignSun Jul 02 '17 at 17:53
I didn't say it was correct, and I didn't say it was wrong either. I'm just prompting you to add a citation because this issue is contentious and opinions may vary. – Mohd Zulkanien Sarbini Jul 02 '17 at 17:55
@user178049 Btw, I can't see why you say that the negative form of used to is contentious! – SovereignSun Jul 04 '17 at 06:46
At first, I, too, thought it should be "didn't use to." But after reading this post, I'm dubious. As Javalatte said, 'opinions vary'. – Mohd Zulkanien Sarbini Jul 04 '17 at 06:51
Yeh, that's familiar. However, you can't say "didn't went to" or "didn't thought of" and not even "didn't had to" so how come "didn't used to" is correct? People who speak that way either don't know grammar or are intentionally spoiling your language. We've got as many problems in Russian. – SovereignSun Jul 04 '17 at 06:59
Of course it can be correct! :) Rules are sets of 'generalizations' and they can't blanket everything; that is, they'll always be an exception to every rule. Garner's argument (in Javalatte's answer) makes sense to me. Idioms like "used to" shouldn't follow conventional grammar. – Mohd Zulkanien Sarbini Jul 04 '17 at 07:03
@user178049 Yes, I am well aware of it. Notice that "didn't used to" is less comfortable to speak than "didn't use to" – SovereignSun Jul 04 '17 at 07:10
I don't think so. My ears may not be perfect; I don't speak fluent English either. But I think "didn't used to" and "didn't use to" are virtually homophonous. – Mohd Zulkanien Sarbini Jul 04 '17 at 07:14

score 0 · Answer 3 · edited Jul 03 '17 at 17:21

Just to sum up:

I mixed not 2 but actually 3 different forms up:

FIRST:

regular verb use

1.1. He used the paper I left on top of the printer.

1.2. NEG: He didn't use the paper I left on top of the printer.

SECOND:

idiomatic expression be/ get used to

2.1. People who are used to such abbreviations

2.2. NEG: People who are not used to such abbreviations.

and THIRD the most confusing:

defective verb used to

3.1. I used to smoke, but now I've stopped.

NEG:

3.2. I used to not like opera, but now I do.

3.3. I didn't use to like opera, but now I do./ I didn't use to drive a big car.

3.4. I use(d)n't to like opera, but now I do.

My example was:

4.1. People who didn't use to such abbreviations

not

4.2. People who didn't use such abbreviations. (AS: He didn't use the paper I left on top of the printer.)

and I wanted to use the sentence 4.1 with the meaning 3.3 but as I was pointed out it was incorrect. Now I understand why :)

You're welcome, however, please delete your answer as it isn't an answer or edit it so that it becomes an answer of your own. — SovereignSun, Jul 03 '17 at 09:49
@SovereignSun There's nothing wrong with an author writing an answer to their own question to explain what they know in their own words. I think explaining it from a different perspective is valuable. It should be written as an answer though, and not as part of a conversation. I've fixed it up a little bit for you Marcel. Feel free to change my edits. — ColleenV, Jul 03 '17 at 17:25

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