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I've been planning a story that follows two characters. At the end, one character (let's call him Joe) goes back in time and appears at the start of the book.

I intend to explore themes of determinism vs free will throughout the story.

On the first read-through of the story, the reader does not know that the character who appeared at the beginning is Joe. Instead, Older-Joe is treated as a minor character and does not appear often.

I intend to follow Older-Joe's story: how he tries to use his free will to change time, and slowly realises that he cannot since the events have already happened. He eventually realises that he is not truly in control of anything, since he knows his own future and has no power to control it in any way.

I would like to mislead the reader into thinking that the book tells the story of Young-Joe. Upon reading the story for a second time, the reader would pick up some form of clue that indicates that Old-Joe is Young-Joe from the end of the book. Using this knowledge, the reader would then notice details that point towards a second story detailing Old-Joe's mental struggles.


How can I make these small pieces of information seem unimportant on the first readthrough, but incredibly relevant on the second readthrough?

Ideally, they would need to be completely forgotten, but carry some sort of relevance to an event or object at the end of the book in order to link Old-Joe to Young-Joe.

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    Are you going to explain things at the end or are you counting on people rereading your book? I wouldn't bet on people rereading it. – White Eagle Apr 30 '18 at 17:07
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    @WhiteEagle neither would I. It'll be prompted – Aric Apr 30 '18 at 17:33
  • So is the goal to make things clear at the end of the first read or at the end of the second read? I am thinking about writing an answer, but I think the answer could be different depending on whether you are aiming for the reader to reread it or not. – White Eagle Apr 30 '18 at 18:14
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    @WhiteEagle the second plot unfolds during the second read, with some sort of clue at the end of the book which leads the reader onto that train of thought – Aric Apr 30 '18 at 19:04
  • Okay, very interesting. Quite unique. – White Eagle Apr 30 '18 at 19:26
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    If you have the time, I suggest that you check out the anime Wolf's Rain, although of course that's done in a more visual media than your typical novel. I think you'll find the first and last few episodes of the animated version particularly interesting in this regard. – user May 03 '18 at 16:52
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    This is the structure seen in the novel Pirate Freedom. In the end of that book, the main character explicitly states that he grew up to be Older-Joe, so readers who want to see Older-Joe's story are almost directly invited to re-read. (That book contains several other hidden secrets that the narrator himself is unaware of.) – WolfeFan May 03 '18 at 21:16
  • Could you please look back at everything you yourself have ever read, and list anything you read more than once? That taken into account, could you re-phrase your Question? – Robbie Goodwin May 06 '18 at 16:52
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    @RobbieGoodwin I'll do that, but why should I rephrase the question? You haven't given any reason for doing so, so I don't know what I should do – Aric May 07 '18 at 10:48
  • Sorry, Aric… I didn't need to be quite so sarcastic for emphasis and still, how often have you given anything a second reading? I sincerely believe most people don't. – Robbie Goodwin May 08 '18 at 00:35
  • Further, I don't think you describe a second narrative… a twist in the tale, quite literally but isn't it the whole point, rather than anything secondary? – Robbie Goodwin May 08 '18 at 00:53
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    @RobbieGoodwin True, many people would not re-read something that they had just read, however a bit of context may clear this up. The point of my story is partly to entertain, but mostly to test my own writing skills and to attempt to achieve this effect for any prospective readers and re-readers. – Aric May 08 '18 at 20:29
  • It just occurred to me that the original Star Wars trilogy would be a great model for this, if you picture Luke going back in time at the end and becoming Darth Vader. Of course a lot of other things would need to be completely different, but the overall structure could work. It seems like Luke's story, but in the end you realize it's just as much Vader's story of fall and then redemption. – Chris Sunami May 09 '18 at 17:39
  • Context might clear that up: most readers will never re-read anything. I have no more than your statistics to support that, but try it on every writers’ or publishers’ association you know of.

    Can you explain how the point of your story being partly, wholly or indifferently to entertain could make a difference?

    Can you explain how testing your skills could make a difference?

    Can you look back at what you asked and either re-write the Question, or explain how anything else you said could ever make any difference to using any second narrative in general, or time travel in particular?

    – Robbie Goodwin May 09 '18 at 19:52
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    @RobbieGoodwin I'm not trying to write a bestselling novel here; this is a personal project. You can either answer the question as it is or move on – Aric May 10 '18 at 16:28
  • Thanks Aric and are you trying to write something that more than a few people will read even once, or not?

    I suggest the only thing anyone here cares about is authenticity which here, basically, means first can you persuade anyone else to publish it and then, can either of you persuade anyone to read it?

    If you want to jump up and down and shriek about how many people you insist ought to read it more than once, go ahead and then, please, explain how much mustard that cuts with your publisher?

    – Robbie Goodwin May 10 '18 at 19:20
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    I don't have or plan to have a publisher – Aric May 11 '18 at 18:19
  • Aric, without a publisher - even a self-publisher - how exactly could you achieve anything? – Robbie Goodwin May 12 '18 at 17:34
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    I don't aim to sell it. – Aric May 12 '18 at 19:19
  • @RobbieGoodwin Some people write just for the fun of it. Some people just want to see what they can do, and what can be done, and they want to do that as well as possible. That's what you seem to be missing here. (Yes, I know this is an old thread, sorry) – DM_with_secrets Jun 30 '20 at 13:16
  • @DM_with_secrets Both of you seem to miss the difference between what people can do, and others can do for them.

    OQ, Aric outlined an idea then Asked how to write it, specifically stating “I don't… plan to have a publisher”.

    Hopefully since, Aric has named the characters; then, we got “… (let's call him Joe)” How clear was that, DM; Aric?

    Being misled into thinking the story is Young-Joe’s, and shown “some… clue…” who might then re-read it? Who forgot the story DM; Aric?

    It seems Aric wants help with a personal project designed not to be published; presumably for the fun of it.

    – Robbie Goodwin Jul 01 '20 at 23:00
  • @RobbieGoodwin "It seems Aric wants help with a personal project designed not to be published; presumably for the fun of it." So? (The rest of your comment I don't really understand at all) – DM_with_secrets Jul 01 '20 at 23:48
  • @DM_with_secrets I'm sorry; I'll stick with Chris Sunami supports Monica's previous, excellent suggestions for research. Why not apply Aric's principal and re-read what he actually wrote? – Robbie Goodwin Jul 02 '20 at 14:03

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As I often do, I would refer you to what I call "Sturgeon's method" (from Theodore Sturgeon, via Samuel Delany) which is to establish --for yourself --a far fuller and richer sense of the details of your fictional world than you'll actually end up putting on the page. In this particular case, I would write a complete version of Old Joe's story first, from his perspective. (No one will ever see that version except you.) Then go back, and using what you've learned from the first version, write Young Joe's version, entirely from his perspective, and including only the things Young Joe would know or notice. Thus, Old Joe's story will exist like a palimpsest beneath Young Joe's, but in the most organic and natural possible manner.

You might not realize, but there are more than a few well-known stories with this same closed timeloop structure --it might or might not be valuable to seek them out. Robert Heinlein explored it twice with "By His Bootstraps" and "All You Zombies" (filmed as Predestination, 2014). Delany himself explores it explicitly in Empire Star and implicitly in Dhalgren. This last features an entire city gradually revealed to exist in a closed timeloop, as does Diana Wynne Jones' Tale of Time City. It features heavily in the movie 12 Monkeys, as well as in the French film that inspired it, La Jetée and is the main theme of the movie Looper. There's an interesting variation on it in the "Oceans Unmoving" sequence of the long-running webcomic, Sluggy Freelance. It has also been explored frequently in television science fiction, notably in Star Trek: The Next Generation and Dr Who, and is a minor theme in Piers Anthony's OX and Michael Ende's Neverending Story.

As many versions as I've listed here --some by excellent authors --I don't know that I've ever found any of them completely satisfying. It's easy to get all caught up in the mechanics of it (like Heinlein does), or just to fall in love with the concept itself (which is the problem in Empire Star). To really be done well, I think the challenge is similar to a sequel. Both stories need to be complete and satisfying in themselves, but they also have to connect together into a single large story arc.

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    Bounty awarded for "Sturgeon's method" and the treasure trove of examples for me to check out, thanks a lot! – Aric May 09 '18 at 17:00
  • As many versions as I've listed here --some by excellent authors --I don't know that I've ever found any of them completely satisfying, so I'm eager to see what you do with it. – Chris Sunami May 09 '18 at 17:31
  • Well, it won't be any time soon, mark my words. Maybe I should write "Chris Sunami" on my notepad so maybe in a few years I'll remember, heh – Aric May 10 '18 at 16:32
  • In the "Thursday Next" series as well there is such an Joe - Older Joe pair of characters. Though that does not play a central role in the plot (as far as I can tell). – Fred vdP May 15 '19 at 22:09
  • "La Jetée" is spelt thusly rather than "La Jeteé" (mind the accent). Sadly I can't fix that myself in the answer because that's too small a change. – Fred vdP May 15 '19 at 22:10
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There are a few things you can do to hide small bits of information until something is made clear until a second go through. The only piece of literature I can think of that does this well is "Where Have You Been, Billy Boy, Billy Boy?" from the anthology The Future in Questions. It is a short story and may be worth a read (if you can find it anywhere). The movie Interstellar does this quite well. Small items become major plot items as the story progresses, but things don't truly make sense until a second watch.

There are several things you can do to find information until another read:

  1. Have one or more vague item/event that doesn't make much sense followed by an intense/more obviously important part that helps the reader forget about their confusion from the last scene.
  2. You can attach importance some hidden value to an object/place that isn't explained until the end of the book and doesn't make much sense until a second read through.
  3. Ambiguity is your friend. The less the reader knows, the better is a good saying to go by for a story like this. Keep things quite confusing until a final reveal.
  4. The best advice I can give you is to find stories that require two or more reads/watches until you understand what is happening. Study what those stories do right and how you can reproduce that feeling in your story.
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  • While I'm not awarding the bounty to this answer, I found the points given very useful and will certainly take them into account. Thank you and +1 – Aric May 09 '18 at 16:59
  • @AricFowler Thanks for the kind words. Glad to help. – White Eagle May 09 '18 at 17:30
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Your question made me recall an animated Sci-Fi movie from the 80s which I absolutely enjoyed when I was a child:

Les Maîtres du temps

The art of hiding a twist is in providing a front story that completely occupies reader's attention and is quite satisfying by itself. The clues which you leave out should get some ordinary explanation and should not seem to be important until the very end.

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You are describing the basic Plot Twist. At some point in the story a second plot is revealed which changes the reader's interpretation of events that already happened.

The way this works is to write two plots which share events in common. Under the first plot, events are interpreted one way, but the second plot also fits all the facts.

If you set out dropping hints and winking at the audience, they will guess a plot twist is coming long before you reveal it. The goal is that the first plot should be 100% plausible and also fit all the known events.

This assumes you don't have a constantly shifting timeline full of paradoxes and do-overs.

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Human learning is like a mobile (the baby toy)

We start with our core ideas of knowledge, and then hang new ideas from them. These new ideas then give us spots to attach even more new ideas. It's kind of like an upside down bush. When teaching someone for this reason it is very important to teach things in this order. If you give someone ideas that they don't yet have places to hang they will be tossed to the side. Now very smart people can later once given these anchor points attach ideas they previously tossed aside, but most people will just keep moving forward only having things hung up on their mental model of the storing which came in the correct order.

So how do we use this to our advantage when writing a twist? We want to give the reader logs of great, detailed ideas, but no place to hang them. By the time the reader is done they should have the basic story structure, but all these parts they did not know where to put. Now the second time they read it, they will already have this mental mobile made out of the parts they understood. When they look at each part anew as they reread the story they will suddenly find where to hang these ideas. This time when they are done reading they will have the structure complete, and now have a full understanding.

Let's try to do a simple example. Let's say we are reading a book and we get some facts. Now unlike here this would be burred in thousands of words, so it would not be so obvious.

Bob woke up early - OK this is our core fact. There is a character Bob. Bob wore a large jacket. -OK we know who bob is. So we can hang under Bob that he wears a large jacket. Caims is a city is in Australia. - What? Why am i being told this? I am not going to remember this. It was January- OK this is another core idea Setting. Bob is in Caims - OK I know who Bob is, let me hang this under Bob Bob tried to draw his shotgun, but fortunately security already had him picked out- Ok I know who Bob is, I can understand this

Now that we have this structure we can go through it one more time. Now we reach Caims is in Australia. Oh now we have a place to hang this. Bob is in Caims. And now it all comes together. It is weird for bob to have a large jacket on in the middle of summer. This is how the security guard picks him out.

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