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As a person who is not well-versed in philosophy at all, I have no idea how to phrase this properly. But basically, we all want things. I want to read that book, you want to become (e.g.) an engineer, etc.

Do we choose to want things? Or do we want things without our control over wanting them?

I am asking because I am having a bit of an existential crisis, and my expectations of myself currently do not make me happy, since I fall short of them. Yet I feel justified in having these self-expectations, and I do not think I will change them. Do I decide to keep my expectations of myself the same, or do I just expect things of myself without any control over that expectation?

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    The core paradox is "according to what criteria would you chose what to want ?". If a choice is the selection of a prefered outcome among several candidates, then however you break it down and analyse it there will always be a remaining "preference" that hasn't been willingly chosen. – armand Nov 10 '21 at 04:15
  • Not necessarily... maybe there are pulsions/needs that you cannot totally control (hunger) – Mauro ALLEGRANZA Nov 10 '21 at 08:40
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    We do not know, we will never know, and it makes no difference. This is a question about "free will" vs determinism, and what happens in the world will not change one bit regardless of which is true. Even if it is all predetermined, we will still want things, and feel good or bad about wanting them too. Frankfurt developed a framework distinguishing between first order and second order desires (desires about desires), where the latter determine the core of self, and "freedom" amounts to accord between that and first order desires. – Conifold Nov 10 '21 at 09:40
  • @Conifold. We may one day know, and one significant change that will likely occur - at least for large numbers of those who aren't attached to fundamentalist/literalist faith - is that we will come to realise that we all are merely the embodiments of circumstance rather than of virtue or evil. We will hopefully therefore become increasingly grateful for any relative good fortune we have, more compassionate, and gradually shed the retributive instinct. There is certainly more evidence (via logic alone) that we have no (or even, severely limited) free will than there is to the contrary. – Futilitarian Nov 11 '21 at 01:49
  • @Futilitarian I am not sure there is any particular connection to "faith", it is more a psychological type than ideology issue (voluntarists vs conformists). I do not think that "more evidence" even makes sense here, so where would "certainly" come from? There is none "via logic alone" either way, logic alone does not generate any evidence at all, it only recombines premises. Psychologically, on the other hand, "I wish" and "hopefully" are more likely to be acted on by free will believers, so perhaps we should wish for those to prevail after all. – Conifold Nov 12 '21 at 01:04
  • @conifold. Re. "faith": I meant that many literalists don't acknowledge evidence which contradicts their beliefs/sacred text, and so may deny any eventual proof of no free will. As for "certainly" and "logic alone", I merely meant that when applied to the question of whether or not we have free will, logic certainly seems to demonstrate there is none, whereas I have seen no persuasive logical arguments for the existence of libertarian free will. I do consider sound logical arguments as evidence; of the truth of a proposition/conclusions. I'm not sure how your last claim is justified. – Futilitarian Nov 12 '21 at 02:58
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  • If by "choose" or "decide" you mean a reflective and forcing oath "I want this", then certainly not - this is not the way we come to want things. 2) We cannot want to "keep" a thing because we can only want what is lacking or missing; clinging to a dream is but re-inventing it. 3) We have a control over ourselves because we are not self-intimate: consciousness is alien to Ego. 4) Life - as route span - is void of meaning; expectations of kind "what I will become" or "what will become of me" should die, because that is the mode suited to perceive other people or being perceived by others.
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