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I define religion as (taken from a dictionary definition)

a particular system of faith and worship.

One can have faith in government and worship nationalistic symbols (flag,anthem etc) psychologically. Like religions, nations also have symbolism like flags, etc, a constitution instead of sacred books, guidelines for good citizens, a bunch of proprieties, etc.

So, would it be okay to label nationalism a non-theistic religion? If yes, under what circumstances and if no, under what circumstances?

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  • I made an edit which you may roll back or continue editing. Please do so if I misrepresented your question. – Frank Hubeny Mar 24 '19 at 06:45
  • Nationalism could be thought of as a sort of religious practice in some cases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_nationalism –  Mar 24 '19 at 06:50
  • But political movements and ideologies are not usually labelled "religions" : the respective "practices" and aims are quite different. – Mauro ALLEGRANZA Mar 24 '19 at 10:30
  • Sure, why not. Is there any point to it beyond the labeling? Typically words are used according to family resemblance, and dictionaries only give vague pointers. Nationalism is sufficiently distinct from what is traditionally called "religion" to be colloquially classified this way, so you'll have to explain your expanded use each time. The more commonly used term for this sort of political thing is "ideology". – Conifold Mar 25 '19 at 00:49
  • Not sure how to answer this question. If you can provide more detail. – virus_123 Jan 29 '22 at 23:31
  • @MrSigma: I'm v sympathetic to the idea that nationalism shares a lot of features (in my view for ill) with religion. But would people who adhere seriously to a nation, religion or both see it the same way? There's many Christians who also see themselves as American nationalists & think it's important to show respect or veneration to the flag, anthem, and other ceremonial symbols. Do they think of this as "worship" of these objects and images? Or as something else? What do you mean by "worship" here? How likely do you think religiously pious worshipers would agree that's what it means? – AlabamaScholiast Jan 31 '22 at 14:55

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According to Alvin Plantinga (page 311), one of the main functions of a religion is that

it offers a master narrative, it answers deep and important human questions. Immanuel Kant identified three great human questions: Is there such a person as God? Do we human beings have significant freedom? And can we human beings expect life after death?

If nationalism answered these questions it might qualify as a "quasi-religion". However it does not appear that these questions are of much interest to nationalists as such. Because of that it may not be worth considering nationalism as a religion.


Plantinga, A. (2011). Where the conflict really lies: Science, religion, and naturalism. OUP USA.

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  • Then, the communism IS a religion. I always knew it, but with a proof from a Church father it is much better. (because, communism does give answers (no,no,no)) – Gangnus Mar 26 '19 at 00:00
  • @Gangnus Plantinga considered naturalism, which is an atheistic view of science, to be possibly a quasi-religion because of his criteria that they attempted to answer such questions. The naturalistic part of communism could be viewed as a quasi-religious master narrative, however, the nationalistic part of it need have nothing to do with the master narrative. Also Plantinga doesn't want to call naturalism a real religion but only a quasi-religion. I think this is because religions are more than these master narratives. They also involve religious practices. – Frank Hubeny Mar 26 '19 at 00:24
  • I am not talking about naturalism or atheism, but about communism, that always has its "saint" rules and people. (BTW, I consider it as the first two requirements to a religion) 2. All powerful branches of communism are internationalistic.... So, I am afraid, I can't agree with your attempts to connect my comment to naturalism or nationalism and thus to the question. My comment is only about an interesting citation in your post and not about the theme of the question.
  • – Gangnus Mar 26 '19 at 20:53
  • @Gangnus The only criteria that I use for a quasi-religion are those presented by Plantinga. It would have to be a master narrative in competition with traditional religious master narratives regarding questions like Kant's. Even so, it would only be a quasi-religion, not a real religion. You are welcome to categorize this differently. – Frank Hubeny Mar 26 '19 at 21:47
  • I looked at the work, thank you. Sorry, but I can't respect the author. 1. According to Platinga, not only naturalism is a "quasi-religion", but the term is introduced by example of naturalism. And he uses the term only tautologically. 2. He can use new-defined terms at will, but the definition is very bad really. Let aside the absence of direct formulation, the word used looks as a fallacy. To say that A is quasi-B only because A has SOME qualities of B, without any proof that these qualities are somehow extremely important is a use of dishonest terminology, usually serving to hide the lie. – Gangnus Mar 28 '19 at 07:42
  • @Gangnus I agree that good communists have faith in communism but I doubt that many worship anyone/thing as a part of their political doctrine and I’m sure that some would consider it to be antithetical. – Frog Jan 30 '22 at 02:11
  • @Frog Yes, they do. They have their dead chiefs in mausoleums and consider them alive. In N. Korea on every bus, there is a place for late Kim Ir Sen. And Marx save you to sit there! Different religions always struggle among themselves. The language they use is irrelevant. – Gangnus Feb 04 '22 at 22:58
  • @Gangnus I’m somewhat out of my depth but I’d be inclined to describe that as ‘revere’ rather than ‘worship’. – Frog Feb 05 '22 at 05:06
  • If all their sentences must be accepted as absolute truth, it is religion. Also, they sing cantrips and dance in their memory. The fact that they don't call it religion, and you too, again is irrelevant, sorry. For me, all believers, either in gods or in Marx, are mentally sick. – Gangnus Feb 05 '22 at 11:20