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Looking at the mind and body it can presumably all be accounted for with physics and chemistry each activity happening purely as a result of the previous state just like as machines work (making free will look quite questionable).

It confuses me that I'm forced to experience it, looking at it purely from a standpoint that there is nothing intrinsically different from a machine or at least couldn't be replicated.

However when under anaesthetic or to a lesser extent sleep I'm unconscious in the sense of no longer viewing life. So I could infer that the part of my brain that creates consciousness is the part that is shut down when under anaesthetic or I'm simply unable to recall being conscious as the brain doesn't memorises the experience so its lost afterwards?

I look at consciousness from the standpoint that consciousness is being trapped in an empty theatre and having your life played on a screen. I'm just interested what the scientific explanation is if there is one?

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    This topic is dealt with many times: look at tags such as, 'consciousness', 'free-will', 'body-mind-problem'... You are correct in thinking consciousness (of the waking world) can under anesthesia be compromised by either a shutdown of a "consciousness brain function", or simply of memory (in fact various anaesthetics work in different ways). Unconsciousness might also be induced by blocking interaction (directly or indirectly) between mind and body. Science does have a lot to say about consciousness, but nothing very convincing. - Welcome to Philosophy SE! – christo183 Jan 01 '19 at 07:19
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    There is no scientific explanation. Some say there will be one in future but others say such hopes rest on a serious category error. The Mind-Matter problem is ancient and it is metaphysical. –  Jan 01 '19 at 14:04
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    We're living in interesting times. From a traditional 'realist' science perspective.. currently it's believed that consciousness is the gestalt effect of brain electrochemistry. Little more than that can be said. But in a very short space of time.. it's likely we'll reproduce it electronically. Which will allow for far closer Inspection than we can currently perform. You can take that... Or leave it. But IMO that's the answer. – Richard Jan 01 '19 at 23:50
  • I've been spending a lot of time recently thinking about Dawkins' memes idea. As the answer below points out, some things 'yes and no' are intangible. They exist only in consciousness, they are absolutely without substance. The concept of how to correctly tie a winter scarf was recently re-imagined by humanity and spread around the world as a meme. Idealists have no problem explaining the intangible, but realists are going to need to find out how imaterial conscious decision can result in the acceleration of mass... If they are to remain 'dudes'. – Richard Jan 02 '19 at 00:05
  • Sorry for the spam. One last thing.. as a fairly commited scientist I find the dismissal of free will by some serious neuro scientists to be a risible cop-out on this question. The answer below suggests that consciousness is simply a 'monitor' of physical brain function. IOW we have no free will. I hereby refute that.. I.. most certainly chose tiramisu over brioche earlier today. Quite how I followed that decision by picking up a spoon worried me... As a realist. – Richard Jan 02 '19 at 00:28
  • Just want to share some idea. IMO, free will that means “the will that is generated in the mind freely without interferences (e.g., from drugs, mechanical effects like s.o. clobbers your head, or magnetic stimulation)” is best, even if it is predetermined by deterministic natural laws. This kind of predictable free will already gives us the best choice, predictably the one that we consider most suitable for ourselves. So, if we had free will that’s not predetermined, we’ll gain nothing more, and it’s possible that we may choose sthg that’s not best or even detrimental for ourselves! – user287279 Jan 02 '19 at 04:48
  • And if all animals had free will that is not naturally predetermined, their behavior will become chaotic and unpredictable. They will not be able to predict what other animals will probably do and will have hard time surviving in the anarchic world. Therefore, from an evolutionary point of view, free will that is naturally predetermined is best for all living creatures. – user287279 Jan 02 '19 at 04:50
  • what sorta explanation are you looking for? assuming a strong enough form of identity then there will be no aspect of conscious that cannot be scientifically accounted for, whether or not that's to the philosophers' liking –  Feb 02 '19 at 15:29
  • @Richard - The most ancient and perennial view would be that freewill is an illusion, the self that acts is an illusion, the matter it acts on is an illusion and the time and space within which it acts is an illusion. So a rejection of freewill need not be a 'cop-out'. The rejection of consciousness, however, would definitely be a cop out. Realism would be false, thus unverifiable, and.would not work in philosophy. I'd say freewill is not relevant to the question since its existential status makes no difference to the ability of science to explain consciousness. –  Feb 03 '19 at 11:13
  • The answer to the question is indicated by the progress of scientific consciousness studies over its fifty year history, which is indiscernible. It has not moved forward by one inch. Chalmers has identified the reason but with no noticeable effect. Our academic community seems poor at distinguishing physics from metaphysics. –  Feb 03 '19 at 11:22

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Question: “Can science account for consciousness?”

I don’t think everyone currently agrees on the answer, but personally, I believe it can. The future will tell.

Question: “I'm just interested what the scientific explanation is if there is one?”

You’re asking for the scientific explanation; I think I can give some. The followings are current scientific account of consciousness that I know of:

1. What causes or creates consciousness?

The scientific answer is that it is some group of neural circuits. Current evidence shows that the Default Mode Network (1), which includes cingulate cortex, precuneus, medial prefrontal cortex, and other associated areas, is the network of the consciousness neural process when the mind is not concentrating on any specific task. This network overlaps with the network of Global Workspace theory (2) and that of Global Neuronal Workspace theory (3), which include the cortico-thalamic (C-T) core and a network of neurons with long-range axons densely distributed in the prefrontal, fronto-parietal, parieto-temporal, and cingulate cortices. These latter two networks are found to be the consciousness neural process network when the mind is in the mode of attending to a certain stimulus. So, the complete neural network of consciousness is likely to be some form of a combination of the former networks and the latter networks, such as that proposed by Song (4).

It is presently irrefutable that consciousness is caused by the function of this network. Consciousness cannot occur without the function of this network, and anything that affects the function of this network affects the consciousness accordingly. That is why one cannot maintain his/her normal consciousness when this network is affected by injury, diseases (encephalitis, tumor, increased intracranial pressure, etc.), metabolic disturbances (hypoglycemia, hypoxemia, hyponatremia, etc.), pharmacologic effects (sedatives, psychedelics, stimulants, etc.), electrical shock, etc.

2. How can a group of neural circuits, which are material things, give rise to consciousness, which is an immaterial thing?

This question is more difficult to answer scientifically, yet currently there are many theories regarding this issue. For example, some propose that the reentrant neural activity in the thalamocortical system gives rise to conscious experience (4,5). Although, from experimental evidence, the reentrant neural activities seem to be necessary for consciousness to occur, no one can answer why and how consciousness (a non-material entity) should arise from such material activities, all the same. Other theories involve integrated information, electromagnetic field, attention, and adaptation of the brain (7-12), and many of them seem to have the same problem, which in philosophy is known as the hard problem of consciousness (13).

However, currently, there is a way to answer this problem, but the issue is too complex and lengthy to put it here. Briefly, it’s like this: when you see someone nods his/her head, you understand that he/she means yes. So, in principle, an abstract, non-material entity (the non-material information “yes”) can occur from the material activity (the physical nodding). Similarly, in the nervous system, non-material information can occur from material neural signaling. For example, when a certain neural circuit signals the information of a red color, other neural circuits, after reading this signal, acknowledge the red color, and there is the information of the red color in the neural circuit. Yet, this is not what the color red occurs in our mind; it’s just the information of the red color in our mind, like the information of the red color in a computer. Now, when a certain neural circuit signals the information of a conscious awareness of a red color, other neural circuits, after reading this specific signal, naturally acknowledge the conscious awareness of a red color, and the conscious awareness of a red color inevitably occurs in the neural circuits. That is how the non-material conscious awareness of the red color (the red color as it appears in our mind) occurs in our material brains. (See here and here for more detailed discussions).

3. Why is there consciousness?

You can note that we don’t have consciousness of every mental activities in our mind, some are sub- or unconscious mental activities. Consciousness occurs in only the final-stage external sensory perceptions and in the highest cognitive-executive functions. That’s why we’re not conscious of early-stage sensory perceptions (e.g., we don’t know what the visual signals that arrive at the primary visual area are like) and why we’re not conscious of cerebellar, basal ganglia, brainstem, and autonomic system activities (e.g., we don’t know what it’s like to coordinate contractions of millions of individual muscle fibers accurately, to contract our pupils, to secrete sweat or hormones, etc.). This is consistently true for billions of humans nowadays and in the past. So, consciousness does not scatter or occur anywhere arbitrarily in the brain – it selectively occurs in only the latest-evolved parts of the brain. This indicates that consciousness is an evolved function, not arbitrarily occurring function.

Now, does consciousness have effects?

Because you’re conscious of your consciousness, the consciousness neural process must function to acknowledge the occurrence of consciousness (otherwise, you cannot be conscious of your consciousness). This means consciousness has physical effects because it affects a physical process (the consciousness neural process) to function to acknowledge it. What is (are) the result(s) of this effect other than acknowledging the consciousness itself? We don’t know for certain now what it is or what they are. But to add another function requires resources to build, to maintain, and to operate it, if the overall effects are not beneficial, the species that have consciousness should become extinct in competition with other species that don’t have consciousness. But, nowadays, human beings and other beings that seem to have consciousness (e.g., mammals and birds) seem to thriving and dominating. So, it indicates that consciousness must have overall beneficial effects that help increase the chance of survival of the species that have it.

Overall, it can be concluded scientifically that consciousness is an evolved function to help increase the chance of survival. And that is why there is consciousness. (Again please read here for more detailed discussions.)

The above answers may not be completely correct yet. But we have come this far only after several decades of serious scientific studies of consciousness. So, I’m confident that finally science can account for consciousness.

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  2. Baars BJ, Franklin S, Ramsoy TZ. Global workspace dynamics: Cortical “Binding and propagation” enables conscious contents. Front Psychol. 2013;4:200. DOI: 10.3389/fpsyg.2013.00200 PMCID: PMC3664777.

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  • Thanks, you said that consciousness may affect a physical process so the organism may be conscious that it is conscious. I have to suggest another possibility, that there are physical processes that cause consciousness on the one hand, and instead of the subjective experience to cause anything physical, those processes that cause this consciousness loop back and cause further processes that contribute to the consciousness of being conscious. – SmootQ Feb 02 '19 at 15:44
  • In this view, consciousness is just parallel to the physical events, and does not affect anything. – SmootQ Feb 02 '19 at 15:48
  • @SmootQ Thanks for the comments. The hypothesis that there’re physical processes that cause consciousness (C1) and the consciousness of being conscious (C2) and that C1 is parallel to the physical events and does not affect anything (including not causing C2) is interesting. But if that is the case then the consciousness that we feel is C2, not C1, because C1 does not affect anything, including our feeling. So, the consciousness that we feel, talk about, or even discuss about right now in this thread is all C2, and C1 is irrelevant to our physical world. – user287279 Feb 03 '19 at 08:22
  • The questions about the proposed hypothesis are (1) if C1 is in the parallel universe and does not affect anything, how can we ever prove its existence and (2) in what aspect does this hypothesis explain the problem of consciousness better than the existing hypotheses? If these questions can be answered, then the hypothesis will certainly be more interesting and useful. – user287279 Feb 03 '19 at 08:26
  • Thank you, and if C1 is irrelevent, then there is no need to assume its existence, which would mean that there are processes that give rise to C2 and integrate awareness in it at the same time. Thus, consciousness maybe is self-reflective process, I can think of it as a mirror that reflects its own image, from the inside out back to the inside, mirrors reflect the world, but consciousness reflects itself. – SmootQ Feb 03 '19 at 09:47
  • user287279 - The seeming of being a self inside our heads looking at a screen I think is a mere illusion that we cannot account for in terms of what it looks like. I think that, there is no self separate from the screen itself , and rather the screen reflects itself and looks at itself, and here, instead of trying to know what looks at a screen, we have to pose for a moment and think about the word "look". When I see red, maybe seeing red is equivalent to "being a quale of red at the moment". Seeing here is being, we are not seeing qualia, we are being qualia, which are self-reflexive – SmootQ Feb 03 '19 at 10:20
  • When I see an image of a red apple, I am not an agent separate of the apple, I am the image itself, and the image (qualia) has the property of being self-reflexive. – SmootQ Feb 03 '19 at 10:21
  • As for qualia, I think Modern Panpsychism is more likely to be true, we don't know what matter is (consciousness is not the only puzzle here, matter too is puzzling). Maybe matter is not conscious as we are, but it contains some bits of subjectivity i.e : there is something that looks like to be a cup or a table or an electron or a quantum field...etc. But that seeming is not very complex as how the Universe looks to us humans, but rather a degree of consciousness that is close to zero, but not zero ... A cup of coffee forgets about that bit of conscious experience every single millisecond – SmootQ Feb 03 '19 at 10:32
  • The cup of coffee forgets about its very tiny conscious experience every single millisecond because it does not have short term memory to relate its past bit of consciousness (which does not seem like anything compare to us humans) to the present one, so things in the physical world have an intrinsic property of "what it is like to be that thing at that moment", and the physical interactions between them cause the loss of the previous experiences, which makes consciousness as we know it impossible without short memory – SmootQ Feb 03 '19 at 10:42
  • So, if panpsychism is true, then our qualia are what it looks like to be the collection of those neural networks at a certain moment. – SmootQ Feb 03 '19 at 10:44
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    @SmootQ I agree and believe that consciousness is a self-reflexive process, and currently there is evidence for this: self-reentrant neural circuits are found to underlie the occurrence of consciousness. – user287279 Feb 03 '19 at 14:59
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As for an account for consciousness, I think the subject is beyond the reach of science, although I do believe that neuroscience can give reliable arguments and even good (although limited) evidence for physicalism (i.e That Consciousness is produced by the brain).

So, I think we can scientifically know whether mind is product of the brain or not (and neuroscience nowadays seems to support the former).

But, to give an account for Qualia (i.e : How and Why do we have subjective experience?), I think this is the hard problem, and we are very far from a solution.

Logically speaking, I have a good reason to think that consciousness is the product of the brain, consider this argument :

  • Premise: For all x, if x is conscious then x has a brain.
  • Conclusion: Therefore, There is no x such that x has consciousness and has no brain.

It is a valid argument, and this is its form in predicate logic :

  • (x)(Cx → Bx)
  • ∴~(∃x)(Cx & ~Bx)

So, the deductive reasoning behind it is valid. If all x that has consciousness has a brain, then it follows that there is no x that has consciousness without a brain.

But how can we support the premise ? is the premise true

By induction, we know that all entities that are conscious that we have met in the past have brains, we have never met a being that is conscious without a complex material brain.

Then it follows that, inductively speaking, if we met another conscious entity in the future, this entity will probably (like 99.99%) have a brain.

So, by induction and the argument I described earlier, one can come to the conclusion that consciousness is not independent from the material brain.

Unless one can point to a rock or a table that is conscious.

Edit

The previous argument is analogous to this one :

  • Premise: For all x, if x is a rainy day then x is cloudy
  • Conclusion: therefore, there is no x, such that x is rainy but not cloudy.

You can clearly see here that clouds are necessary for rain, in similar arguments: the consequent is necessary for the antecedent to be true.

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    If x is a rainy day, cloudy can not be x, because cloudy does not contain the ‘time period’ in x = a rainy day. A rainy day can be sunny if the rainy clouds are above you and the sun is at an angle shining from under the clouds. – Ajagar Feb 02 '19 at 14:50
  • The idea here is that there is no rain without clouds, even the slightest droplets of rain need something in the sky that looks like a cloud that can account for it. – SmootQ Feb 02 '19 at 14:56
  • So, rain is impossible in a day where there is no clouds in the visible sky – SmootQ Feb 02 '19 at 14:57
  • Is this a question? Rainy day and cloudy are not the same thing. One can cause the other but they can not both be x. But if you mean that being alive creates conciousness under the conditions that the brain can experience it. X creates Y conditionally. – Ajagar Feb 02 '19 at 16:45
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    You didn't understand : the conditional is "If rain then clouds" , and not "if clouds then rain" – SmootQ Feb 02 '19 at 16:46
  • It is clear. But I would definately Remove the word ‘day’ from your equation. – Ajagar Feb 02 '19 at 17:21
  • Isn’t counsciousness just the body including the brain experiencing itself? Wecan’t say if an atom is able to experience itself but it experiences the pull of the proton(s). – Ajagar Feb 02 '19 at 17:23
  • Consciousness is what goes when you are in deep sleep, and comes back when you start dreaming (to some extent) or when you wake up. When you see red, consciousness is the screen on which you see the red color, right now you are conscious if you read this (you are not in a coma). – SmootQ Feb 02 '19 at 17:30
  • It depends on the state or level if consciousness you experience. Or do you mean your consciousness that another person can measure? Coma does not exclude hearing necessarily. Even people with NDE’s experienced reality while clinically dead remembering what happened when dead. – Ajagar Feb 02 '19 at 17:38
  • People in coma (or asleep) do have brains that process the information just as brains that are awake do ,including auditory stimulus. But this does not count as consciousness. You missed the point here : There is clearly a difference between you in a state of deep sleep , and you in a dream and you while awake : the difference is what we call consciousness, and it doesn't need much argument. – SmootQ Feb 02 '19 at 17:42
  • So you refer to the different active periods of the brain, not the consciousness of being there at all regardless state of the brains. I have overlooked that intention. Would stored information count as consciousness, because within the deep sleep state there is a memory present. And the memory is freely allowing all sorts of images to pop up except you never die in your sleep because you have not experienced dying so the brain can not relate. Can memory be seen seperate from consciousness? – Ajagar Feb 02 '19 at 23:25
  • Regarding the hard problem of qualia – why and how do we have subjective experiences – there are now emerging answers to this problem. You can read some articles that are physical-evidence-based from this chapter through the next two chapters. It’s quite long, but if you have time, it’ll be worth it. I can’t guarantee that it’s completely correct, but you’ll see that we’re now not very far from the solution. – user287279 Feb 03 '19 at 08:51
  • @Ajagar , No ... you dragged the conversation to other subjects like (is there consciousness in coma, NDE experiences...etc), while the main thing that I want to emphasize is that consciousness is how things look and feel. Whether people in coma can hear or not is irrelevant to our discussion. As for memory, I think consciousness is impossible without memory, because every single state has to "remember" the previous state (i.e short term memory), and without it, we would be like zombies where the self changes every 400 milliseconds or so, and every "self" forgets about the self before it. – SmootQ Feb 03 '19 at 10:27
  • user287279 Thank you for the reference. Best – SmootQ Feb 03 '19 at 10:28