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After a lengthy discussion with WillO here, we can't seem to find a common ground and I am interested in whether there really could be an argument without a single premise.

Another question whose answers would answer this question as well would be: What is the most accepted definition of an argument in (philosophcal) logic?

Please include references to logicians or serious quoteable textbooks/online sources in your answers.

Lukas
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  • I've been looking at your and WillO's positions for a while. WillO has argued that the formal proof system of mathematicians does not exclude an empty set of premises, which seems reasonably rational. To make the question more interesting to other readers, who might take the time to provide you with an answer in your favor, you might want to explain what advantages you see from defining "argument" to have "one or more" premises instead of "zero or more." If you can show a situation where his definition leads to irrational outcomes, you may find more answers in favor of your preferred position. – Cort Ammon Jan 12 '15 at 01:25
  • Sure, I guess my problem given the current state of debate would be this: Given that there are arguments with no premises, we need some demarcation-principle between statements and arguments. When are single sentences conclusions of arguments and when are they not? But really, as pointed out elsewhere, I don't ask this question to have a debate, but to find evidence that suggests that I was wrong in the first place. – Lukas Jan 12 '15 at 08:15
  • I think this inevitably comes down to if one considers the existence of a non contradictory system of proof and a language in which to express this proof to itself be a "premise" as I cannot see how one could otherwise prove this to be true without assuming it is true already. – Vality Jan 12 '15 at 15:19
  • This question may need to be divided into two parts. One part may be to answer the question with regard to Formal Proofs, the mathematical construct behind all rational proofs I have ever seen. There are a definitive answers to your questions within Formal Proofs because of their strict construction. The second question might be whether there are uses of the word "argument" and "statement" and "premise" which are consistent with your usage, but are not in line with their Formal Proof analogues. That would lead to formal systems. – Cort Ammon Jan 12 '15 at 15:55
  • (And to be fair: I often say Formal System when I mean Formal Proof, by mistake. Formal Proofs are concerned with syntax, while Formal Systems are concerned with semantics. Given that philosophers are often interested in something which is useful in both syntax and semantics, the line can be blurry. I try to correct my answers when I get them mixed up, but comments are permanent) – Cort Ammon Jan 12 '15 at 16:00
  • As for your reply to my comment, a mathematical consistent answer might be to say, "for every statement, there exists a proof with 0 axioms (premises) containing only that statement in every formal system." The ability to do such mapping is actually quite useful in Category Theory. It doesn't say that a statement and an argument are the same, but merely that there is at least one 1:1 mapping between them. Its similar to saying there is a 1:1 mapping between the natural numbers (1, 2, 3...) and the negative numbers (-1, -2, -3). – Cort Ammon Jan 12 '15 at 16:04
  • There is also a likewise mapping from arguments to statements. In mathematics, they are called lemmas. – Cort Ammon Jan 12 '15 at 16:07
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    Yes. two people arguing over whose fault that they just got thrown out of their house. Arguing but with no premises. Bahahaa.. (I'll get me coat .. ) – user2808054 Jan 12 '15 at 17:09
  • Look at it this way. When constructing an argument, you by default have an infinite scope. The processes of induction and deduction, which are used in every argument, give it its premises or bounds. Without that, you won't have an argument. – Sampark Sharma Feb 04 '16 at 15:00
  • i had the related question of what the difference is between an argument (reasons) and overlapping propositions. often, i'll try to 'prove' something (to myself) by constructing sentences which claim the same thing in expressions with different support – anon Apr 03 '17 at 18:24

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Yes.

(disclaimer: I am a mathematician, and may be unaware of any connotation that philosophical logic might imply that diverges from how I understand logic)

For example, the argument

  • P or not P

has zero premises and arrives at a tautological conclusion (as must all valid arguments with zero premises). And the validity can be expressed syntactically, as its sole step is justified as the introduction of a known tautology.

Now, in hindsight, I am not surprised there might be people who adopt a convention where an argument is defined in a way that requires a nonempty set of hypotheses. This convention is not* useful. Fortunately, it's a level of detail that can be ignored for most discourse, and for the few times it matters, I would expect someone who does adopt this convention to be able to make the appropriate mental translation from what I say about what I mean by "argument" to an equivalent statement about what he means by "argument".

Although I might try to speak in a more neutral way if I knew the other person adopted the convention. (but if the person was making a point about refusing to make the translation and I cared about conveying my meaning anyways, I would do so in a way that pointedly demonstrates I'm rejecting the spirit of their convention while adhering to the letter)

But this is sort of how it goes with all sorts of conventions. If someone believes that domains of discourse must not be empty, I expect them to have some way of understanding a discussion involving domains of discourse that might actually be empty. If someone believes that the word "number" should only apply to positive things, I still expect them to be able to understand discussion about negative and complex numbers.

*: I'm sure such a convention could be useful for certain narrow purposes; e.g. when temporarily dealing with a very restricted notion of "argument" that is easier to reason about, before building a more generally useful notion of "argument" on top of it.

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    I am a philosopher (I've got the scraps of paper to prove it), and I agree. Aristotle asserts the very zero-premise argument you make at the top here. – virmaior Jan 11 '15 at 23:40
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    Doesn't P or not P assume something like "reality is consistent"? Then again, I guess I have to assume that it's consistent to state that, otherwise "is" doesn't mean anything. – Nathan Long Jan 12 '15 at 14:21
  • NathanLong: If P or not P is false, then that implies that the classic rules of logic are insufficient to be useful with regards to P. This can still be dealt with by a Formal System, but it means we'd need to be using a formal system so different from the norm that one would be obliged to specify the formal system ahead of time (or be considered "wrong"). – Cort Ammon Jan 12 '15 at 15:52
  • "P or not P" what sort of argument you're going to have about a tautological expression? if you are going to argue whether "P or not P" are you doing so with no implicit premise? – anon Apr 03 '17 at 18:59
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First of all, this is not a question to which there is a right or wrong answer; it's a question about conventions. That said, the standard convention, so far as I'm aware, is that an argument begins with a set of premises and there are no restrictions on that set (except, in a formal setting, for the requirement that it be recursive --- i.e. that we ought to be able to recognize the difference between a premise and a non-premise).

You seem to be strangely passionate about an issue of pure convention, but for all your passion you don't seem to be able to produce a single standard reference that requires the set of premises to be non-empty.

In fact, if you're doing propositional (as opposed to predicate) logic, it can be convenient to define a tautology as a conclusion that follows from no premises. (Of course you have to be careful about what "follows" means if you're going to do this --- and again, this is a matter of convention, not absolute truth.)

If you do feel inspired to pick up a book, I feel sure that any standard logic textbook will do. They tend to specify that an argument starts with a set of premises, and I have never seen any restrictions placed on the cardinality of that set. Disallowing sets with exactly zero premises strikes me as exactly as unnatural as disallowing sets with any odd number of premises. What would be the point?

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  • Questions about conventions have right and wrong answers. 2. This is such a question. 3. You don't cite any person nor any book to make your point. That you feel sure that any does is no evidence for your point.
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    @Lukas: Oh for goodness's sake --- you are the one who's arguing for a restriction on which sets of premises are allowed, so the burden of proof is on you to exhibit a source that imposes this restriction. If I claim that, by standard convention, all premises must have exactly five words, then the burden is on me to give a source for that convention. If you claim that, by standard convention, every set of premises must be non-empty, then the burden is on you to give a source. Since you haven't given one, it's pretty clear you just invented this "convention" out of thin air. – WillO Jan 11 '15 at 15:26
  • I am asking a question, I am not arguing for anything here. Along your lines, if you claim that, by standard convention, any set will do, then the burden is on you. I can't have a burden for I claim nothing. – Lukas Jan 11 '15 at 15:29