What should a parent do to intervene in a relationship with an important relative and a child? For example, if it is readily apparent that your child doesn't like her grandmother, even if the child doesn't verbalize it what should the parent do?
What if a relative (the same or another) doesn't like your child?
How do you foster the idea that a child must not allow her feelings to create a lack of respect for the relative, for example when the relative is leaving the house the child must say goodbye in an appropriate way.
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are there good reasons for the dislike? If so, I'd let it be. – DA01 Jan 23 '12 at 17:42
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How old is the child? – Jonathan DeCarlo Jan 23 '12 at 20:49
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@JonathanDeCarlo she is 8years old – morah hochman Jan 26 '12 at 13:27
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@DA01 I don't particularly like this relative either, however children don't necessarily keep their feelings to them selves out of respect for their elder. I suppose I will add to the question that this may be a solution, however I would love to know how to teach this. – morah hochman Jan 26 '12 at 13:28
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1@morahhochman Keeping ones feelings to oneself at inappropriate times is exactly the skill that you need to be teaching. It is a truly necessary skill for getting along with others. – tomjedrz Mar 30 '12 at 23:01
2 Answers
IMHO Peter is overthinking this.
Don't worry about feelings, worry about behavior. Insist that your child behave properly, and if someone is behaving poorly to your child, let your child know that it isn't their fault and that they still need to behave properly.
1 - Child doesn't like someone else
Do not try to manage your child's feelings. All you should expect from child is to treat others with courtesy and respect. They don't have to like crazy Aunt June, but the dislike should not be obvious.
However, talk to your child and probe into what is going on. It may be silly ("She smells funny"), or it may be chilling ("She yells at me"). Do not take your child's concerns lightly, and do not force your child into uncomfortable situations beyond common courtesy.
2 - Someone else doesn't like your child.
Obviously, you can't do anything about what crazy Aunt June thinks of your child, unless your kid is obnoxious and Aunt June is right. What you need to do however, is work with your child on the idea that not everyone is going to like them, and that is perfectly OK.
3 - Common Courtesy
This is actually the tough part ... you must continually impress upon your child the concept that everyone is to be treated with courtesy and respect, and you must teach what that means in terms of behavior. Whether they like the person, or the person likes them, or the person treats them poorly, the person is to be treated with courtesy and respect.
I am afraid courtesy is a dying concept, and that is a shame.
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1"I am afraid courtesy is a dying concept" - it has been "dying" since the Greek era (at least the earliest known such complaints are from that age... but I believe this has been mumbled already by old cavemen at the beginning of human history ;-) – Péter Török Mar 31 '12 at 06:58
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Courtesy is the lubrication that allows society to function, and the lack of a filter between feelings and actions is destructive. Parents who do not teach the ability to control one's words and actions are failing their children and society at large. Do we really want our children to be like the reality show buffoons who shout whatever infantile thoughts come into their little brains? – tomjedrz Mar 31 '12 at 15:31
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@tomjedrz, fully agreed. I tried (but apparently failed) to make it clear in my own answer that controlling our emotions is an absolutely necessary social skill. – Péter Török Mar 31 '12 at 22:30
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@PéterTörök The phrasing is important here. One should not attempt to control one's emotions ... that is destructive in the long run. One should control one's actions and behaviors when experiencing strong emotions. I don't care if my child viscerally despises crazy Aunt Sally as long as she is polite and courteous in her presence. – tomjedrz Apr 01 '12 at 03:54
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@tomjedrz, phrasing is indeed important. Controlling emotions - to me - is totally different from repressing emotions. The latter is typically biting one's tongue not to shout out rude words, with fists clenched and face red. That is indeed destructive in the long run. The former is being fully conscious about the situation, including one's (and all others') inner feelings, the possible ways to react to these and the consequences of each - and choosing not to get angry. Yes, it is a high aim, even for most of us adults. I believe though it is a worthy aim. – Péter Török Apr 01 '12 at 08:21
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@PéterTörök .. OK fine. Are you saying that when one is angry one should express it .. red face and clenched fists and all? I say NO. One must be able to control one's actions in the midst of strong emotion. When the impulse is to punch rather than to be rude, you certainly agree with me. But the concept is exactly the same. – tomjedrz Apr 02 '12 at 03:55
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@tomjedrz, not quite. I agree with you in the context of this question, so the rest may be out of scope here. But IMHO it's good to know that "always be polite" is not the full picture. There are situations (albeit very, very rare) when getting angry and using the energy of our anger in a constructive way helps resolving a problem. Outside these rare cases, getting angry does not serve us - so my ideal is not to get angry. We should stay calm, be aware of our and others' emotional / mental state, but don't allow those emotions to take control. – Péter Török Apr 02 '12 at 07:26
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Absolutely. I have often said to my kids, it costs nothing to be polite, and it always does some good. – RedSonja Apr 14 '15 at 08:26
A lot depends on the details. Who is the relative, what is his/her relationship with the parents and/or other family members? Some families may have hidden, suppressed - or even open - tensions or conflicts between members. E.g. a mother-in-law may - secretly or openly - feel that she has been robbed of her son by her daughter-in-law. Etc, etc. Children can sense such tensions even if adults are hush-hush about these, and react upon them, even unconsciously. If there are such issues in the family, raising them to the light and resolving them properly may eventually solve the child's symptoms too.
In general, I believe the best approach is to accept it. We may try to talk with the child about why (s)he dislikes the adult in question, but - depending on her age - we may not get much useful information out of her. The person in question is also better accept it and keep the (physical / emotional / social) distance set up by the child. Follow her, be relaxed and be ready to accept any future communication attempt, but not force contact.
The parents may want to ensure some minimum level of politeness and social contact, such as that the child must greet everyone properly, regardless of likes and dislikes. But that, again, is case specific. When I was a kid, there were adults in our family and among my parents' friends whom I plainly refused to greet, or get in contact with. My parents accepted the situation then. I still managed to learn the value of greeting people since then, and nowadays I greet everyone sincerely, out of my own will, not just because it is "polite".
Update
I agree with you, however, don't you think being polite and socially appropriate is an important thing to teach.
I think we should try to get to a healthy balance here. Obviously, raising a child to be totally unaware of social conventions is not good. At the opposite extreme, forcing him/her to be always polite and nice with everyone, effectively making her totally repress her internal feelings and thoughts, is not good either. Fair enough, every society is doing this to its members to a lesser or greater extent, so we can't fully avoid it, just strive to find the right balance between national / family culture, ourselves and the child in question.
As well, how do you get the relative to accept the child's boundaries, set up by the child? You have no control of the relative's reactions.
Well that's a sensitive one. My feeling is, if that relative is important to you, and you have a good relationship with him/her, (s)he will probably more understanding. If she is not understanding, and reacts in an irresponsible way to your child, you may prefer keeping a distance to her anyway. I think in some cases the least worst option is just to try to minimize the occasions when you (and/or your child) need to be with such a relative.
How do you foster the idea that a child must not allow her feelings to create a lack of respect for the relative, for example when the relative is leaving the house the child must say goodbye in an appropriate way.
This depends on the child's age - a younger child acts purely out of feeling, and has no concept of "respect", much less "social conventions" or "dignity". To such a child, I would just say that we greet people when we meet or depart, period. Even those adults whom we may not particularly like. Now this is a sticky issue, because children usually are very sensitive to any discrepancy between our words and our own inner feelings. So I would definitely not pretend liking that relative if that is not the case. However, explicitly mentioning in the company of a smaller child that I don't like aunt Maggie is risky too, because I may end up hearing my exact words shouted out in the middle of the next great family reunion :-(
So the best approach may be to consistently stick to a rule, and explain only as much of the background as necessary for the kid (if (s)he is specifically asking about it), on the appropriate level. Actually, in my experience, they often are very understanding on a subconscious level and don't ask those embarrassing questions openly.
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+1 I agree with you, however, don't you think being polite and socially appropriate is an important thing to teach. As well, how do you get the relative to accept the child's boundaries, set up by the child? You have no control of the relative's reactions. And further more, in this case the relative does not respond appropriately but rather becomes a child and reacts with meanness toward the child. – morah hochman Jan 26 '12 at 13:33
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2@PéterTörök When one is uncomfortable or irritated or angry are the times when politeness and courtesy are most necessary. It is easy to be friendly and polite to someone you like. The real test of character is our ability to be courteous and polite to people we do not like or do not respect. – tomjedrz Mar 30 '12 at 22:59
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@tomjedrz, what's your point? Do you interpret some of my thoughts above as contradicting with this? – Péter Török Mar 31 '12 at 06:45
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@tomjedrz, IMHO politeness and courtesy are only the means, not the end in itself. They come naturally from respecting others. And I would say we should respect everyone, even those we don't like. – Péter Török Mar 31 '12 at 06:52
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@PéterTörök Of course courtesy is a means, not an end. But it is most necessary when it is most difficult. The (nonsensical IMHO) concern about "repressing inner feelings" essentially gives one an excuse to be rude at the times when courtesy is most needed! – tomjedrz Mar 31 '12 at 15:19
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1@tomjedrz, to me not repressing inner feelings does not equal to being rude. Sorry if this wasn't clear in my answer. My point is this: we can teach our children to be polite and courteous because Dad told so - or to be polite and courteous because all living beings are creatures of the same Creator, thus worthy of our respect. The first method teaches them to behave nicely, while possibly accumulating unacknowledged, poisonous negative feelings and thoughts. The second method teaches them to process their negative feelings and turn them into love, then act out that love. – Péter Török Mar 31 '12 at 22:18
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@PéterTörök You made the equation, not me. As to the false choice you press for the remainder .. punishing for transgressions does not exclude explaining the reasons for the expectations. Train children to behave properly; the why can follow. – tomjedrz Apr 01 '12 at 03:49
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@tomjedrz, I didn't make any equation; please read back what you wrote. About training children to behave properly, I wrote "To [a younger] child, I would just say that we greet people when we meet or depart, period.", and "the best approach may be to consistently stick to a rule, and explain only as much of the background as necessary for the kid". I feel you are continuously explaining why I am supposed to be wrong, then making practically the same point I attempted to make. – Péter Török Apr 01 '12 at 08:30
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@PéterTörök My reading of your answer is essentially Yes, but No. It depends. Enforcing courtesy is good, but the child should not repress. Punishing the child is good, but explain to the child. Behaving properly is great as long as they understand why. Kumbaya. My approach is more direct and specific. I think that is really the difference. – tomjedrz Apr 01 '12 at 17:48
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@PéterTörök You certainly did make the equation to which I refer ... "... forcing him/her to be always polite and nice with everyone, effectively making her totally repress her internal feelings and thoughts ... " – tomjedrz Apr 01 '12 at 17:50
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@tomjedrz, funny because I had a similar "yes and no" feeling reading your answer :-) The main point is, our views don't differ fundamentally. I am ready to admit though that your answer is clearer and more direct. Maybe I wanted to be too universal here :-) – Péter Török Apr 01 '12 at 19:48
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@tomjedrz, the phrase you quote are about one extreme of a scale, and I do keep my opinion that extremes are not good. Yes, we should indeed teach our child to behave politely - but at the same time, we should also teach them to express their feelings and opinions openly and honestly as and when appropriate, and to stand up for their rights (while acknowledging others' feelings and rights too). This does not mean being rude - rudeness is almost never appropriate, as it usually hurts others' feelings and only escalates problems, rather than solving them. – Péter Török Apr 01 '12 at 19:54
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In the situation being discussed, how exactly would the child openly and honestly express their feelings while being polite? When in doubt, be polite. – tomjedrz Apr 02 '12 at 03:50
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@tomjedrz, of course. Let's say a female relative always greets the child with excessive hugging and wet kisses on the face, but he just doesn't like to be kissed (by this particular person, or in general). The extreme of "always be polite" would be to keep his mouth shut and suffer silently. The other, unpolite extreme would be to hit aunt Maggie, or to run away and hide whenever she approaches. The polite but constructive way could be saying something like "dear aunt Maggie, I like you, but I don't like to be kissed that way". – Péter Török Apr 02 '12 at 07:38
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@PéterTörök I don't have a huge problem with my child suffering a few wet kisses from Aunt Maggie. IMHO that is preferable to risking hurt feelings. Emerson once said that "Good manners are made up of petty sacrifices." – tomjedrz Apr 05 '12 at 02:28