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I have been contributing several hundred dollars per paycheck to my Employee Stock Purchase Program (stock symbol MDP) at a 15% discount. I was immediately selling at the end of each quarter with significant ROI (even after capital gains tax). There was previously no holding period but starting with shares purchased this quarter, there will be a 6 month holding minimum. That is, shares purchased Oct-Dec 2013 cannot be sold until July 2014. Should I continue contributing knowing that the risk is now much greater? Is there any way to mitigate the risk so that I feel comfortable with this program again? Or perhaps I should just take my investment dollars elsewhere.

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  • How aggressively do you like to invest? That is a question only you can answer though some people have made a lot of money using one company's stock. – JB King Sep 05 '13 at 16:32
  • Hi @JBKing, thanks for responding. I am relatively aggressive with my investments, but it's still hard for me to justify locking several thousand dollars into a single stock for 6 months at a time. I guess I'm wondering if there is a way to hedge or short-sell and still take advantage of this great 15% discount? – Cameron K Sep 05 '13 at 16:35
  • Options would be what I'd explore to hedge. – JB King Sep 05 '13 at 16:38
  • When is the price determined? Is the 15% discount applied at every paycheck withholding, or to the one purchase at the end of six months? – JTP - Apologise to Monica Sep 05 '13 at 23:41
  • The purchase price is the lower of the price at the beginning of the quarter and at the end of the quarter. So if the price were $45 on day 1 of the purchase period and $47 on day 90, the 15% discount would be taken off of $45 and that is the price per share. Shares are purchased on my behalf at the end of the period. So I was really only at the risk of the market for a few days at most with the previous rules. Now it is 6 months risk minimum. I think I'm going to pull out entirely. – Cameron K Sep 06 '13 at 23:09
  • ?? - if you are given a discount to the lower of the two endpoints, the longer cycle benefits you. The few days between the stock being priced and you being able to sell is not zero risk, but very low compared to the gains. – JTP - Apologise to Monica Sep 07 '13 at 00:20
  • I see you edited - "shares purchased Oct-Dec 2013 cannot be sold until July 2014." This implies the purchase is made using 12/31 pricing and the sale can be done in January, perhaps just a few days later. Is this not correct? We're talking a matter of a few days to hit your account? Or is there a delay I'm not understanding? – JTP - Apologise to Monica Sep 07 '13 at 13:31
  • @JoeTaxpayer you seem to be misreading... July is six months after 12/31. – stannius Sep 09 '13 at 23:48
  • @stannius - A sign I need my glasses! Yes, I copied/pasted July, but kept thinking January. The risk is the 6 month movement. Me? For the 15% discount, I'd short the shares in my margin account the day they price and close the two positions out in July. Zero risk, small cost. – JTP - Apologise to Monica Sep 10 '13 at 00:13
  • @JoeTaxpayer what if shorting were prohibited? – stannius Sep 10 '13 at 02:37
  • I'm guessing if shorting is somehow prohibited (how would his company find out?) then options aren't allowed either. No other ideas. – JTP - Apologise to Monica Sep 10 '13 at 02:45
  • @JoeTaxpayer even though shorting wasn't allowed, there was nothing prohibiting options. Buying put options lowers the risk but also the profit. This is moot given that both Cameron K and I have left the employer in question years ago. – stannius Mar 11 '19 at 15:15

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In the old version of the plan you were flipping the stock very quickly. Some of the money was tied up for almost 90 days, some for only a few weeks. The risk that the stock would fall enough to cause you to lose money was small, but not zero. Therefore you felt comfortable with risking several hundred dollars a paycheck.

The general advice is to not make the current company you work for a significant portion of your net worth because if the company suffers a disaster you can lose both the money and your job.

How much is at risk? Assume 7 checks per quarter @ $200 / check deposited. In the old program you had $1400 at risk but you owned ~$1650 in stock. Under the new plan in the first quarter you will still deposit $1400 but while waiting for the 6 month window you will deposit another $2800. By the time the first sell date occurs you will now have $4200 at risk, but you will own ~4950 in stock.

The question is would you be willing to invest $4200 today in your company stock knowing that you can't sell for 6 to 9 months? If that is too much of your net worth to put at risk, then you might have to look at some other way to allocate your money.

Note: I don't consider what you were doing as an investment. You found a way to generate some income each quarter. They are now changing the rules to make that a much riskier proposition, especially if the goal was income generation. The company may be trying to discourage participation in the new program.

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  • Thanks, this is the perspective I needed. The level of risk depends on the portion of net income going into the plan. – Cameron K Sep 05 '13 at 18:04
  • Great point. I was using it as an additional income source. It has inadvertently changed to a minimum 6 month investment due to this new 6 month holding policy. – Cameron K Sep 06 '13 at 23:07
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    @CameronK I don't think the word "inadvertently" applies here. – stannius Sep 09 '13 at 23:26