In finance, we often see that high return instruments should be accompanied by high risk. Is it possible to have a high return and a low risk financial instrument?
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3If it was possible, everyone would be doing it!! – RonJohn Oct 06 '19 at 01:55
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I would add “time” as a factor. High return over time is possible with low risk due to compounding. Over a short time period, high return generally involves higher risk. – Rocky Oct 06 '19 at 15:56
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Yes, domestic real estate in major markets. – Fattie Oct 07 '19 at 00:59
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@Fattie Even this bears risk. Be it a tenant who doesn't pay, who puts your property in havoc and whatever. – glglgl Oct 07 '19 at 08:26
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Ah hah, I was really just meaning simply "your own house to live in". – Fattie Oct 07 '19 at 10:48
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One situation where this is possible is when you purchase an asset well below market value. If you have deep knowledge of a niche area and are willing to invest time searching for value, this isn't that hard, but it requires effort.
I've done this for years in vinyl records and other collectibles.
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2I do not consider this an "secure investment" because you either take a considerable risk or have to do a lot of work knowing the actual value of each item (or both); to the point that to get some security it becomes almost a job (although you can find it more bearable than the typical job if you enjoy the market you are dealing with as a hobby). – SJuan76 Oct 06 '19 at 15:22
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2Collectibles are not 'low risk'; if you haven't been bitten yet, it is just a question of time. The prices depend on people's opinions, and if collecting X gets out of fashion, they will fall towards zero value. – Aganju Oct 06 '19 at 15:50
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1I would say that this is low risk, if you buy them well below market value and turn them around quickly. I have even seen this done with real estate (neglected vacant lots that the owner realize how much they had appreciated). But, since you aren't holding them as an investment, I don't think that this is what the OP had in mind. This is really profit for work. – Mattman944 Oct 06 '19 at 17:22
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As I said above, it requires "deep knowledge". For example, if I am a very experienced coin collector, and I find a coin that I know to be worth more than the asking price, and I know the value has been stable over time, then the risk is low. – Zugzwang Oct 07 '19 at 02:55
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As others have said, you need to be enough of an expert to not be fooled by fakes (almost anything where such gains are possible seems to be faked, in ever-increasing fidelity). Also, there's a sliding-scale of risk... if you buy "near" market-value, there's a good risk it won't rise in the time-scale you're looking to resell in; if you wait until you find something (genuine) well-below market value, you risk having your money not earning anything during that search. – TripeHound Oct 07 '19 at 08:43
In general no, due to how the market works.
When you invest you are loaning money to someone to wants it (to start a business, for example) in exchange for a return.
If some investment is safe, then it will attract lots of people, so there will be lots of sellers (of money) and the buyers (the people taking the money) can pick whoever they want (the ones who ask less in return). This drives the profits of the loaners (the price of the loan) down.
And of course, low and high are relative. If due to some change (for example a technological breakthrough) returns would increase all of the economy, the safer options would still give a lower return than the more risky ones.
The only exception would involve expert knowledge and lots of luck: you know something very few in the public know. Let's say that you hear about a new invention and you realize that this will revolution the way the cronopy industry works, that everybody in the world building cronopies will want it and that it is a sure sell, and that for whatever the reason nobody else in the industry has heard about the invention1 so very few people know how valuable it is and there are no other investors interested.
As you can guess, this is not something that happens often. And many times, this is the beginning line of a scam...
1If the inventor made the device with the idea of selling it to the cronopy industry then probably he has already informed the people of that industry in order to get financing, but maybe the inventor has not realized the possibilities of his invention in that industry...
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I would actually say that YES, low risk and high return is possible, given good diversification in a stock portfolio and most importantly, long enough time horizon.
One measure of risk is volatility, but in the very long run it doesn't matter. I would say that in the very long run, analyzing risk is better done with worst-case scenarios. The reason is that stock prices are not just some abstract process doing random walk, but rather there is a tendency to revert to the mean.
In the very long run, the returns of your stock portfolio come almost exclusively from dividends and their reinvestment creating even more dividends. The valuation of stocks for let's say 50 years from now is not a deciding factor.
If you purchase a small share of Corporate America (or Corporate Whatever-Country), by buying a well-diversified low-cost index fund, you own a certain fraction of the economy of such a country. I can't see how the investment would go wrong unless there's a major disaster like a thermonuclear war or climate change gone out of control. In the long run, you own a certain fraction of the profits created by Corporate America.
Example: 3% dividend yield, 5% growth+inflation will yield nominally 46.9x = 8% per year in 50 years. If the valuation of the stock market halves at the worst moment (i.e. at the end of the investment period, so that you won't have good reinvestment opportunities for dividends), you still have 23.5x = 6.5% per year. And that's a poor scenario unlikely to happen! By slowly exiting the stock market near the end of the investment period instead of quickly exiting the market, you can manage the risk of market halving at the cost of some lost return.
If you are risk averse and invest in bonds, you gain only 3-4% per year. Note the nearly-worst-case stock scenario is still better than average-case bond scenario.
An absolutely horrible scenario: stocks drop by 80% exactly at the end of your investment period (happened in the Great Depression). You gain 9.38x = 4.58% yield in 50 years. This very unlikely scenario still yields more than bonds.
So, based on these, in a 50 year time horizon, stocks yield more than bonds even in the worst case.
How could a stock portfolio investment go wrong?
- You don't diversify well enough and the stocks you picked underperform compared to the market.
- You have high fees.
- You often temporarily exit the market thinking that the situation is too risky, and the situation becomes less risky (i.e. stocks become more expensive). Don't time the market! Instead, spend time in the market.
- You invest not for 50 years but rather for 5 years.
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Well, write covered-calls on commodities but then hedge the commodity with a futures contract. Some years might be a 10% or more gain while other years will be less. So call that a 5% average.
Why does this work ? The use of capital can hold both the commodity and hold the hedge. The buyer of the option is putting forward less use of capital and that's what they like.
Commodities ? Commodities that the average person can hold are stock indexes, Treasury securities, and precious metals. Most other commodities on the stock market are in the form of short-term futures but even those holdings can have covered-calls written on them when they are large ETF's.
The futures hedge ? The hedge can be a long-term sell-side futures contract when the market is in contango but should be a series of short-term contracts when the market is not in contango. The issue is the cost of hedging.
There is one thing for an option-writer to know and that is the competition is other option-writers. The customers are the option buyers.
Or somewhat similar, closed-end-funds that invest in bonds, both leverage the bonds and hedge the bonds. So consider letting a financial company do the work.
Obviously, there are un-hedged investments that will outperform a 5% average when over long periods of time. A hedged investment is more like a regular business practice that is depended-on rather than a long-term investment that is hoped-for.
Oh, there is another situation. When a company appears headed for financial trouble, investors interested in the company will buy the senior bonds and short-sell the stock. The bonds pay dividends which cover the cost of short-selling and the short stock position can go up more than the bonds go down. The bonds have a limited downside because the senior debt holders become the new shareholders in a re-organization.
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If the counter-party exercises the call, isn’t the futures contract then exposed? – Lawrence Oct 06 '19 at 18:37
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It's an on-going enterprise by whatever method is used. Covered-call funds buy the calls back on a schedule and then write new ones further on. Speculatively, the calls could be bought back at anytime and replaced with other call-writes of different strikes or expirations. Possibly just let a covered-call fund take care of everything but hedge the fund with a futures contract. – S Spring Oct 06 '19 at 19:29
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Both futures contracts and writing calls represent commitments. Even though you can manage the risk somewhat by judiciously rolling the calls, it still seems inherently high-risk to have two obligations underpinned by the same asset. – Lawrence Oct 07 '19 at 01:28
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Both the futures market and the options market are liquid. The positions can be opened or closed in a few seconds. – S Spring Oct 07 '19 at 12:37
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I suppose what I’m trying to get at is that I would consider both a naked call option and a naked forward to be high risk. Having two of those and a single asset is kind of like having one of them and no asset. – Lawrence Oct 07 '19 at 13:34
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The call-write is covered by holding the underlying commodity. The futures contract is a hedge of the underlying commodity and therefor is break-even with the underlying. On the downside of the underlying commodity the call premiums are just gain. On the upside, buy-back of the call-writes could be a loss but a stop-loss could get out of the call-writes. Also, time works in favor of the call-writes. – S Spring Oct 07 '19 at 14:43
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Maybe I've misunderstood. Let me summarise what I thought you suggested, and feel free to point out where I misunderstood. Covered call = buy asset + write call option. Futures contract = commit to sell asset at a fixed price and fixed date. "Not high risk" = no unlimited loss position. You're advocating Covered call + Futures contract on the same asset. E.g. you buy X barrels of oil at $Y + write a call option to buy your X barrels + enter a futures contract to sell the same X barrels. (cont'd) – Lawrence Oct 07 '19 at 15:25
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(cont'd) If the call option expires, you continue with the futures contract (you can also write another call option if there's time remaining before the futures contract is due for settlement). If the call option is exercised, you close out your position by entering the opposite futures contract or buying another X barrels. But in the scenario that the call option is exercised, the price of oil could have shot up, so your loss is unlimited, i.e. high risk. I don't understand how this strategy could be considered low risk. – Lawrence Oct 07 '19 at 15:25
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As I already said, in a systematic operation the call-writes are bought-back before expiration and replaced with call-writes further out in time. Also, the call-writes can have stop-loss orders on them to make the downside break-even or better. Well, I see the problem of a historical spike, but the stop-loss on the call-write would protect against a historical spike. If a historical spike happened during closed markets then the stop-loss and an unexpected exercise could race each other at the market open. But early exercise of the call-write is not categorically necessary in a historical spike – S Spring Oct 07 '19 at 19:45
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In a historical spike, the market could open with the stop-loss on the call-write as tripped but with the price way above the intended stop-loss. If the investor doesn't have enough funds for the stop-loss order then the position loss is in the hedging future because of expected ultimate exercise of the call-write. If the investor does have enough funds for the stop-loss order then the position loss is in the call-write. – S Spring Oct 07 '19 at 20:27
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But overall, the only real problem is the failure of stop-loss orders to work during closed markets even though major events could be happening during closed markets. – S Spring Oct 08 '19 at 06:11
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Oh, in a rising market, the call-write can't be bought-back at break-even until time-value has wound-down. The purpose of a stop-loss order would be the limit of funds available for buy-back. – S Spring Oct 08 '19 at 23:28