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We teach students that a notation like $$17 - -59$$ is not acceptable or at least not good. Instead we want them to write $$17-(-59)$$ The main reason seems to be that it's more readable if you separate the operator and the number sign.

But since

  • students frequently make errors regarding this notation,
  • the notation is not really needed to avoid ambiguity and
  • there is that weird break of symmetry since only use brackets for the subtrahend and not the minuend

I wonder to just accept the version without parentheses or even use it myself in class.

Are there any reasons why this notation is necessary?

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    Probably not an important argument (so I'm not posting it as an answer), but maybe still good to be aware of: in some programming languages, e.g. in C++, the notation $--x$ has a very different meaning than $-(-x)$. – Jochen Glueck Mar 28 '23 at 08:57
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    These two $-$ signs have different meanings - one is a binary operation (as in $a-b$) and the other is "unary" (as in $-a$). Thus, I wouldn't be so suprised that there's a convention against putting them one next to the other. – Michał Miśkiewicz Mar 28 '23 at 10:17
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    There are plenty of cases where students mess up because of the lack of brackets, and now you want to tell them omitting brackets is ok? No! No! No! check this answer for another case of missing brackets flunking a calculation: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/4655389/prove-side-c-of-a-triangle-equals-frac02/4655407#4655407 – Dominique Mar 28 '23 at 12:48
  • @Dominique: The case you linked is obviously a different situation. I am talking about a specific case. – realGottlob Mar 28 '23 at 13:38
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    2-(3-5) has a very different meaning to 2-3-9. So keep the parentheses. it's short for 2-(0-3). – stan Mar 28 '23 at 17:38
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    There is an asymmetry though, as subtraction is not commutative – No Name Mar 28 '23 at 18:33
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    I didn't know $17 - -59$ was not acceptable in math. Maybe I forgot. It is acceptable in C and interpreted as subtracting a negative number. It's the same in all the half dozen or so languages I have used. One should take care to differentiate two hyphens without a space and two hyphens with a space (when typing a computer program), because they do mean something different. As for board work, using parentheses makes the expression easier to read. Some people attempt clarity by writing the subtraction and unary minus at different levels thus: $17- {}^-59$ or even with addition $17+ {}^-59$. – user1815 Mar 28 '23 at 19:21
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    In what circumstance would you teach your students to write $17 - (-59)$ instead of $17 + 59$? I think in all my education I was never prompted to use the former form and with time we were expected to simplify expressions in this and similar ways as we wrote them down. – Feuermurmel Mar 29 '23 at 00:23
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    If my memory doesn't betray me, when I learned maths in secondary education, $10 - -4$ was considered acceptable. – gerrit Mar 29 '23 at 07:14
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    I'm not sure how relevant this is but, in accounting notation parentheses indicate negative values. E.g.: '(59)' is negative fifty-nine. – JimmyJames Mar 29 '23 at 17:12
  • A TI-84 Plus calculator will confuse you if you do not do this carefully. The "-" infix operator (ie: x - y) is a different button from the negative button (-x). You will get very confused if you type: "x^2-5", which of course means "(x^2)(-5)" on the calculator. – Rob Mar 30 '23 at 00:31
  • When a notation like 17−−59 is at best not good, how is that specifically about negative numbers? What about 17−3x −59. How would you evaluate that, without brackets?

    What rules are you following? What you were taught at school, what's laid down by your school or local education authority, or what?

    How could brackets not being needed in anything as simple as 17−−59 ever be the point?

    Do you not believe that earlier in our schooling, we should be taught, by simple example, methods that will help us solve more complex problems?

    – Robbie Goodwin Apr 05 '23 at 21:05
  • Negation and subtraction are really different operations. Ideally there should be a different symbol for each, e.g. 17 - _59. Unfortunately, by convention, the same symbol is used for each. The parentheses are an acceptable compromise, e.g. 17 - (-59). – Dan Christensen Apr 19 '23 at 14:43

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  1. It is not a good idea to against a convention, unless you have strong reasons for it.
  2. That said, you might not want to punish those going against the convention, either.
  3. An obvious reason for having something between the minus symbols is that when writing by hand (and maybe in some fonts) it might be far too easy to write the minus symbols together, and far too hard to figure out how many minus symbols there are supposed to be in any given case.
  4. Also, you would typically want to have the parentheses in cases like $2 \cdot (-3)$ for similar issues of legibility that $2 \cdot -3$ has. Hard to know whether the dot is supposed to be there or some artifact of the writing process.

It might be a bit of redundancy to have the parentheses, but some redundancy adds legibility. Error correction for human language.

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  • (3) and (4) seem to be more or less the same (just in opposite directions). It's for sure a valid point! I just wonder if they warrant the problems students just have adhering to the notation... – realGottlob Mar 28 '23 at 13:44
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    To add to (3), I must point out that many computer systems will automatically change to consecutive hyphens -- into an en dash – (neither of which is a minus sign). – Torben Gundtofte-Bruun Mar 28 '23 at 19:47
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    For sure 3) can easily happen with with pen/pencil. 3-6 can look like 3--6 if a hand jiggles or a pen is low on ink. 3- -6 can look like 3-6 if the-'s are written quickly and happen to overlap slightly ("writing the minus symbols together"). – Owen Reynolds Mar 29 '23 at 13:17
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Others have talked about legibility, so I want to address the importance of the parentheses in an expression like $$17\color{red}{-}(\color{blue}{-}59)$$ from the perspective of educational psychology. As @Michał mentions, the two minus signs in this expression have different meanings. To emphasize the difference, we can decode the expression as: $$17\color{red}{\text{ take away}} \color{blue}{\text{ the opposite of }} 59.$$ As @ryang mentions, there are good reasons to pronounce both minus signs as “minus,” and it makes sense that we use the same symbol to represent subtraction and negation, since $$a-b=a+(-b),$$ but this is not a trivial fact. It can be quite confusing for students that a symbol which has always signified subtraction now also signifies negative and negation.1 Using parentheses helps students distinguish the different meanings of the minus sign.

Some curricula attempt to address this by introducing negation using a different symbol, e.g. $$b^* \ \text{or }\ \overline{b}\ \text{ or } {}^−\!b$$ as @Raciquel mentioned. Such a curriculum would then introduce the notation $-b$ after students are convinced of the fact that $a-b=a+b^*\!.$

Students need to be able to recognize and go between the different meanings of the minus sign to understand negative number arithmetic. In a study by Joëlle Vlassis, she found that when students were asked to solve the equation $4-x=5$, some erroneously wrote \begin{align*} 4-x&=5 \\ x&=5-4 \end{align*} which is a very common mistake. In her interpretation, this was because

Students considering, in this context, only the subtraction function of the minus sign could not imagine writing this sign before x at the second stage because, from their point of view, there was no more operation.

Some students who found $x=-1$ were unable to write $4-(-1)=5$ as justification.

It did not occur to students to put parentheses around the solution... For students who thought that these minus signs were two binary signs, it was inconceivable to write an expression with a succession of two "subtracting" signs.

Difficulty interpreting minus signs can happen when other operations are involved as well. For example, with the equation $-6x=24$,

When the interviewer suggested the solution $-4$ to them, these students felt that this was not possible, since you would have times minus 4." These two students appeared perplexed about the possibility of producing an expression in which the "times" and "minus" signs followed one another.

So the convention of using parentheses to separate the unary minus from other operations is a thinking tool as much as it is a communication tool. It is natural for students to find it difficult at first, because we are not simply asking them to adopt a new writing convention, but to understand and attend to the different meanings of the minus sign.


1: “Negative” and “negation” are distinct ideas. For example, when $x$ is negative, $-x$, the opposite of $x$, is positive. So for students, there are three ideas related to the minus sign that need to be distinguished: subtraction, negative numbers, and negation. This article (public access through the NSF) goes in depth on the different meanings and has suggestions for teachers on how to help students make sense of the minus sign. It really is difficult!

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    The problem with $4-x=5$ is that it's generally solved by moving terms across the $=$ symbol which changes their sign: $4-5=x; -1=x; x=-1$. I suppose that's a misunderstood shortcut for adding $x$ to both sides, etc. – Andrew Leach Mar 29 '23 at 09:17
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    @AndrewLeach Vlassis mentions that, for this equation, the more impactful error was writing $x=5-4$, dropping the negative sign on the left because now there is “no operation” happening. I think this is alleviated if students can flexibly switch between interpreting the minus sign as subtraction and negation, $4-x=4+(-x)$. For other equations, like $-6x=24$, being unable to write $-6(-4)=24$ was more of an issue. Some students claimed that this was impossible, because “you would have times minus four,” indicating that they were stuck viewing minus as a binary operation. – Justin Hancock Mar 29 '23 at 10:41
  • @AndrewLeach A detail I found really interesting was that the presence of a minus sign caused many students to misinterpret multiplication as addition or subtraction, e.g. $-6+x=24$ or $-6-x=24$ instead of $-6x=24$, and similarly for $-32=-8y$, even though the solution for this one is positive. Far fewer students made this mistake solving $5x=20$. – Justin Hancock Mar 29 '23 at 10:47
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    $ z^* $, as in the superscript asterisk, might not be such a good choice as it is used to denote a complex conjugate. As is an overbar. – Andrew Morton Mar 29 '23 at 17:10
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    @AndrewMorton I doubt that this notation will survive in class up to the point of introduction of complex numbers. It would be replaced by the usual a* = -a fairly soon, as Justin writes in the answer as well. – Chieron Mar 30 '23 at 11:36
  • @JustinHancock: When I was taught negative numbers (in the US), we always called it e.g. "negative five" and never "minus five." I wonder if this was intended to avoid ambiguity with subtraction. – Kevin Mar 30 '23 at 18:17
  • @JustinHancock You might want to add content from the second and maybe third comment into the post itself, so that one can get the ideas without going through the comments. – Tommi Mar 31 '23 at 07:59
  • @Kevin & Justin: It actually makes sense to read -7 as "minus 7" rather than "negative 7". I became convinced of this after reading this page (whose responses I summarised in my answer there). After all, you already call the symbol in that context "unary minus". Besides, for negative $x$ (i.e., $x<0$), reading -x as "negative $x$" (i.e., using "negative" as an adjective) is not instructive, to say the least; and notice that I've just used the phrase "negative $x$" in two very different ways. – ryang Apr 01 '23 at 07:57
  • @ryang I agree that $-x$ should be read as “minus $x$” or “the opposite of $x$” or “the additive inverse of $x$.” As you say, “negative” and “additive inverse of” have different meanings. The minus sign carries both. It signifies three ideas: negative numbers, subtraction, and negation. Vlassis refers to these as the unary, binary, and symmetric functions respectively. I think it’s fortunate that we can articulate the difference in English, i.e. $x-(-(-7))$ can be read as “$x$ minus the opposite of negative $7$” instead of “$x$ minus minus minus $7$.” – Justin Hancock Apr 01 '23 at 09:59
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    TLDR (and I appreciate that we disagree): it is logical and helpful to read negation (unary) and the analogous subtraction (binary) as "minus", without calling on the adjective "negative" (my above link elaborates with the fact that many European languages read -7 as "minus seven" rather than "negative seven", and that you anyway read ±5 as "plus minus 5"). To wit: for $x<−3,$ I would assert, "minus $x$ (e.g., minus minus $7$) is nonnegative," instead of, "negative $x$ is nonnegative." Using the same word in non-identical similar contexts is not unusual in Mathematics (or any language). – ryang Apr 02 '23 at 05:39
  • @ryang I get your point now. I’m not opposed to having students only use “minus” when they read the minus sign, but they need to be able to articulate the different meanings. Even outside the U.S., teachers have to carefully distinguish “subtraction,” “negative,” and “opposite.” In the example $8-9$ in this video, you can hear him say “on a une soustraction,” “l’opposé de $+9$, c’est $-9$,” and as he writes the minus sign on the second line, “le résultat sera négatif.” The advantage is that the minus sign is always pronounced “moins.” – Justin Hancock Apr 02 '23 at 12:21
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Are there any reasons why this notation is necessary?

Yes, of course - it is necessary to avoid easily avoidable errors introduced by unclear writing. While it may usually be obvious from context if you see that notation without parantheses in typewritten text (i.e., computers...), this is not the case for pupils writing by hand.

Looking at my own children, writing cleanly was a major obstacle at all times. If they then also are maybe not finding the actual content of their maths trivial, it is just an unneccessary additional cause of error and frustration.

This continues into adult life. I.e. when writing computer code, where a compiler does interpret expressions in a very formal way, with crystal clear semantics, it very often makes sense and is a convention to add completely superfluous parentheses for readability and maintainability.

So aside from teaching the maths itself, it is equally important to teach that it is important to communicate clearly. A correct formula is still wrong if the reader cannot read or interpret it because it's hastily scribbled, and in-built "error correction" techniques like parantheses have also been skipped.

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    It is hard to overemphasise the value of clear communication (which also informs clear thinking), even when one doesn't remotely need to write code for a living. The habit of and respect for clear communication is one of the most important things we can inculcate in students. – ryang Mar 29 '23 at 15:42
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My suggestion:

  1. Use the notation yourself
  2. Explain why it is helpful
  3. Show examples of where it helps to avoid confusion
  4. Don't require it from students (i.e., don't mark off for not using it)

If 1-3 are in place, (4) will eventually happen with maturity, even if it isn't this year.

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    Disagree on the last point about (4) happening naturally. My experience at a U.S. community college is that many students will blithely make syntax (and code styling) errors in perpetuity if there's no explicit barrier to it. It doesn't matter how many contrary examples they see; not everyone is able to pattern-match automatically. – Daniel R. Collins Apr 19 '23 at 17:21