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Does anyone know of any o-words or go-words which are absolutely neutral (have no nuances of being polite / courteous / respectful / womanly / cute etc etc)?

The only ones I'm aware of currently is おちゃ and ごはん

Update

Does anyone know of any o-words or go-words that when the お or ご is omitted, becomes another word or not a word altogether?

The only ones I'm aware of currently is ごはん

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Here is a list of neutral o- and go- words:

  • お手玉 'small bag for juggling'
  • おみくじ 'written oracle'
  • お冠 'being angry' [Not crown]
  • お目玉 'being angry' [Not eye ball]
  • お新香 'pickle'
  • おにぎり 'rice ball' [Not sushi]
  • おむすび
  • おこぼれ 'something positive gained (unexpectedly) from someone else' [Not falling off]
  • お裾分け 'a portion given away'
  • お下がり 'used thing (clothes, etc.) often given from a senior to a junior sibling' [Not going down]
  • お流れ 'cancel' [Not current]
  • おあずけ
  • お手上げ
  • お手
  • おかわり
  • お手付き
  • お年玉
  • お多福
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  • heys btw just to clarify, do you mean that for お手玉, おみくじ, お新香, お裾分け we can remove the を and the meaning would still be the same but for the rest we couldn't? – Pacerier Jul 30 '11 at 14:18
  • @Pacerier No. For all of them, if you remove お, it would either not be a word used in present Japanese, or a word with a different meaning. For the ones that I put explanation in brackets, there is a word without お with a different meaning. –  Jul 30 '11 at 21:59
  • I have been told a few times that お金 is an example of a 'neutral' word with お on the front, but since it works fine as 金 by itself, I guess that it doesn't apply. – heuristicus Jul 31 '11 at 14:31
  • These are all historical changes, and some words are under transition now. But I think for 'お金', 'お' still has politeness. –  Jul 31 '11 at 14:36
  • @sawa Btw I was wondering when we use "お休み" to mean that someone has taken a day off school/work, is the "お" in "お休み" considered neutral, or does it carry respect ? – Pacerier Mar 30 '12 at 17:35
  • @Pacerier Originally, it was polite, but as it became a fixed expression, it lost politeness. –  Mar 30 '12 at 19:38
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I do not know what you mean by “absolutely neutral (have no nuances of being polite / courteous / respectful / womanly / cute etc etc).”

Saying お茶{ちゃ} is definitely more polite to the listener than saying 茶{ちゃ}. The same applies to お冷{ひや} in Dave M G’s answer: it is a polite form of a rarer word 冷 (ひや; often written as 冷や).

ご in ご飯{はん}'cannot be simply removed (because 飯 read as はん is not a word in itself), but ご飯 is at least more polite than 飯{めし}. I do not think that there is any reason to believe that ご in ご飯 means anything other than politeness.

phirru mentioned おまえ in a comment on the question. I do not know the etymology of お前{まえ}, but I guess that お in お前 originally comes from the same お meaning politeness.

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    This is actually a good question. If you think about the origin, these お and 御 used to be polite, but over the time, the version without them disappeared, and these prefixes on them lost their polite meaning. This is a usual thing in language change. The fact that 飯 (han) and 前 (mae) is not said in the relevant sense is the criterion that 御 in 御飯 and お in お前 do not express polite anymore. With お茶, I agree that お still expresses politeness. Do you really say 冷 'hiya' in the relevant sense? –  Jul 29 '11 at 13:09
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    @sawa: I wrote my opinion in the answer. I do not agree with your opinion that the prefixes lost their polite meaning in the case where the versions without the prefixes disappeared. – Tsuyoshi Ito Jul 29 '11 at 13:17
  • thanks for pointing out the vagueness of the question. i've edited it – Pacerier Jul 29 '11 at 13:59
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    For anybody reading these comments and interested in the process mentioned by sawa, you can get an introduction from reading the Wikipedia article on *lexicalization*. – hippietrail Mar 17 '14 at 00:37
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お冷{ひや} for a "cold drink of water", at a restaurant, is one.

As an updated answer to your updated question, お冷 doesn't become a different word or a non-word if the お is omitted. I don't think that circumstance exists.

However, having wondered myself if 冷, by itself, would be understood in a restaurant context, I've tried it and can say from experience that waitstaff will look at you quizzically if you drop the お.

お冷, like most お and ご words, has become a conventional set phrase. Changing it up is just weird.

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