Negation in concurrent verbs

Question

I saw this sentence in my workbook:

スープは音を立てて飲まないのがいいマナーとされる。

and I found many cases of 音を立てて飲まない on Google.

This expression seems to mean "to not drink, while making sounds", instead of "to drink without making sounds", for which I would use 音を立てずに飲む.

What is the grammar point of such expression? Is this an exceptional or general case?

As an aside, that statement is not even true of Japan. One of the first things foreigners learn in Japan is that slurping noodles is not rude. Strange that a Japanese workbook would have that. — istrasci, Sep 20 '23 at 15:06

score 2 · Accepted Answer · answered Sep 20 '23 at 14:19

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This expression seems to mean "to not drink, while making sounds"

I think this is where you went wrong. Think of 音を立てて飲む as one block, and you have a negation of that whole block. So more like

( NOT ( 音を立てて飲む ) = いいマナー ) とされる。

Of course, your 音を立てずに飲む is also correct, I prefer this version myself. However, they are both correct.

answered Sep 20 '23 at 14:19

Jun Sato

Are there any parallel examples of negating a whole block of verbs? – Kotoba Trily Ngian Sep 20 '23 at 15:01
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@Kotoba How about.... https://japanese.stackexchange.com/a/30534/9831 「宿題をしていかない生徒が多い」「遊んで暮らすな」「物を口に入れてしゃべらないでください」, https://japanese.stackexchange.com/a/82383/9831 「試着して買わないと心配だ」「箸を使ってご飯を食べません」「勉強してテストを受けなかった」「歩いて学校に行かない」, https://japanese.stackexchange.com/a/86788/9831「解いてから帰らないとすっきりしない」「加熱してから食べないといけません」「予約してから行かないと待たされます」「化粧を落としてから寝ないと肌に悪いですよ」「体を洗ってから湯船に入らないとダメですよ」「お互いのことをよく知ってから結婚しないと、うまくいかないと思います」 – chocolate Sep 20 '23 at 15:48

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