This website indicates a study was done by the US army but it offers no citation or identifying information. I've scoured to try to find the answer myself but am running short on time. Is it true?
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12Sounds more like a question for [skeptics.se], though not off-topic here. – David Richerby Aug 27 '18 at 18:39
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Can you explain why you need the answer? I'm wondering if this could be an instance of the X-Y problem; it's already attracted one answer that assumes that you're looking for studies into make-work projects versus charity during periods of economic hardship. Would other examples like this be useful even if they have nothing to do with the US Army and/or the Great Depression? – tardigrade Aug 28 '18 at 12:53
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Did you found something which can be marginally relevant to the question in your previous search? Any info can help us to answer your question. – Brian Hellekin Aug 28 '18 at 14:47
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Keynes suggested it during the Great Depression. It's not exactly the same, but I think what you've heard was a mutation after so many years.
The actual quote from his book was:
And the second mention of "dig:"
The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money (London: Macmillan, 1936), p. 129.
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4@corsiKa, they Keynesian account (which I think is incorrect) is that the broken window fallacy does not apply when an economy is "sick" since there are unused resources which can be utilized. – Winston Ewert Aug 27 '18 at 21:05
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8Keynes seems to have neglected to consider that the initial investment (the notes and the cost of burying them) must be taken from some existing resource. =) This can be done via taxation, inflation, or loans. All of them take away resources from other producers or savers. In other words, all it does is shuffle money into a useless activity when it could have gone elsewhere. WW2 is an example of the idea in action, but it came with enormous debt. One might argue that it was the death of many of FDR's policies during WW2 and the fact they were not revived that ended the Depression. – jpmc26 Aug 27 '18 at 22:39
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3@jpmc26 your analysis misses Keynes point, that local maxima that an economy may settle into (he uses maximal employment as a proxy) is not guaranteed to be an absolute maxima, and that economies can settle into states that "producers" alone cannot push out themselves without external stimulation of demand. This was a direct refutation of classical economics at that point, that basically rejected the notion of local minima. Overcoming a potential barrier with an inefficient catalyst is a totally reasonable approach. – crasic Aug 27 '18 at 23:48
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Keynes was a combinatorialist, and published rigorous mathematical works in probability and statistics, but The General Theory of Employment had extremely oversimplified mathematical treatment, I would argue that the dig holes in the ground was meant to be an illustrative example and not a rigorous treatment. The catalytic nature of this useless work is explicitly stated in the last quote cited here. – crasic Aug 28 '18 at 00:01
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@crasic Anyone can see that when a product that benefits a customer immensely over their current situation comes along, the market jumps at the chance (e.g., oil products, microprocessors, smart phones). None of this stuff needed "stimulation," just some person figuring out how to put it together and sell it. Burying that reality behind some fancy math words doesn't make him correct. =) I take particular note of how sterile and detached from on the ground economic decisions your own comment is. Pardon me for having great skepticism in a theory that seems detached from actual causes. – jpmc26 Aug 28 '18 at 00:09
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4Regardless of what you feel "anyone can see", an approach without rigor is basically just wishful thinking. In the historical context, Keynes was arguing against your exact point, there is no magical "market" that can jump on opportunities when the system is in a stable depressed state. I am not here to defend Keynes as a modern theory, but the historical interpretation of his work. If you would like to understand his reasoning I suggest reading the cited work in this post, or you can continue to wave your hands. The issues at hand go well beyond single industries and products =) – crasic Aug 28 '18 at 00:34
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4@jpmc26 - actually what anyone can see is that a product that vastly benefits a customer is not enough to create a market... history is rife with such examples where a discovery or invention was made then languished, and also was picked up later to popular and/or world changing effect - the product alone was not enough. And the "figuring out how to sell it" bit was also, seriously nontrivial, which again emphasizes that the product itself was not enough, and there is (as Crasic said) no magical "market" that will work just because it would make sense if it did. – Megha Aug 28 '18 at 05:08
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1While this answer shows the theory behind paying people for digging holes and fill them, it does not answer if the US Army actually did that study... – Brian Hellekin Aug 28 '18 at 14:40
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@Megha You're saying that people aren't omniscient, so they can't accurately predict the future. Duh. And then you're saying "but there's this magical entity, the state, which is and does!". Markets allow people to utilise resources extremely efficiently; but people aren't perfect, and so markets cannot be perfect either. That's not what was being claimed. The claim was that the markets are much better at this than some government stimulation project - quite a different proposition (and with far more historical precedent than your market "examples"). Speculation is part of the product. – Luaan Aug 28 '18 at 17:31
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@Brian Hellekin, I looked but couldn't find anything. The only studies I could find regarding the mental benefits of working vs. unemployment weren't published until the 1990s. I think the Army version as linked is more of an old wives tale where the story changed over time, but the moral remained the same. Like the Loch Ness Monster, it might exist, but I can't prove it doesn't exist. – TomD Aug 29 '18 at 02:17
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@Luaan - no, actually I'm not saying there's "a magical entity, the state", not even sure where you're getting that... My own argument, boiled down to the bones, would look more like "people are just irrational, expecting rationality sounds pretty but does not really work - for both positive and negative results. But, working with irrationality can work". And to put that into the context of this answer, I'd guess government (or any other) stimulation as described would be like a placebo, and like a placebo can help,with potentially astounding results, just because people think it can. – Megha Sep 03 '18 at 05:10
The practice of 'make work' was quite common long before the great depression. If the US army did study it (and I have no information if they did or not) then it would not have been for soldiers to dig the holes, but for the desperate to be given a means of earning some income - the theory being that work was better then charity and any work was better then no work. In parts of Ireland, you can see beautiful dry stone walls that were built up and over mountains by wealthy land owners during the famine (1845-1852) to give their starving tenants the income to pay their rent (and feed their families).
Background reading and references: The use of work vs charity to deal with poverty: Irish Poor Law - 1838
Interesting essay on what lead to the Irish famine being so severe: http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/history/prefamine_clare.htm
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