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(A few days ago, a user posted a couple good questions about the historic practice of crucifixion in Ancient Rome on the Christianity SE. Unfortunately, they posted the questions as an answer to this question, so naturally they were deleted. I encouraged them to bring the the questions here, but they did not so I am doing it now.)

I understand that Roman crucifixion victims were usually stripped of their clothing. I understand this was done as part of punishment to humiliate the criminal. However, it is also my impression that someone with only an undergarment\loin cloth would generally be considered "nude" in Roman thought. As such, how do we know that victims were stripped completely? Are there any documents detailing the practice that make it clear even the undergarment\loin cloth was removed? Or is it just a logical assumption stemming from the humiliation aspect of the punishment?

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  • You might find this interesting: http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/15658/was-jesus-crucified-naked – fdb Aug 13 '15 at 12:44

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Most lower class Romans and slaves wore only a knee length tunic, if they even had that much clothing. Many in modern times have indicated that wearing an undergarment was considered being naked, yet the Greek word that was usually used in the period to refer to someone who was naked was gymnos, which means a complete lack of clothing. Those who try to say otherwise often do so because the idea of public nudity makes them uncomfortable, so they use modern cultural mores to influence one's interpretation of history. Historical studies of the culture of the time indicate that public nudity was not at all unusual for fishermen, or for those working in the fields or in mines, even in cases when there were women present. Nudity in public was also not uncommon during athletic events. The author of the book of Hebrews makes reference to this in Hebrews 12 verse 1, in which he uses the analogy of a runner laying aside the garments and running naked to represent stripping off sin that weighs down the Christian. This is not an analogy that many people in modern Christianity are comfortable with, but the early Christians would have understood the analogy just fine.

I have seen many insist that the Romans couldn't have crucified people naked or that Peter couldn't have been naked on his boat because they "can't imagine" complete nudity in front of passers-by including women and children could have been acceptable. I would say that how we imagine the past to be does not determine that is how it was. Nudity has been used in punishment throughout history, and has also been common for those working in physical and dirty jobs (fishermen, miners, etc.). Defeated people throughout history had their clothing taken away to shame them. This shame was not the shame we have in modern times due to the mores that originated in the Victorian era, it was because to be denied clothing was the mark of a slave, though the same people who would have been shamed by having their clothing forcibly taken would willingly lay it aside to work or exercise if it was their choice. The shame, then, was due to forced nudity, not the state of nudity in and of itself. A modern analogy might be that a person would likely feel embarrassed and shamed if they were attacked and had their clothing stripped off of them leaving them in just their underwear, yet when they go to the beach they might be perfectly willing to wear a bathing suit that covers no more than the underwear would.

The problem with many people today is that things like this in history don't make them feel all warm and fuzzy and so they dismiss it due to their FEELINGS. Well, feelings don't define the historical record, and if someone thinks they do they are dabbling in the wrong field.

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    It might help to have some references to sources. Also, it should be noted that in the Graeco-Roman world nakedness was not regarded as shameful. The gods even, and the Roman emperors, are often depicted in the nude. – fdb Aug 16 '15 at 20:55
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    Hebrews 12 verse 1 was a reference. – Stephen E. Seale Aug 17 '15 at 22:37
  • +1. At places where clothes are not required by social standards, they still can show wealthy and social position. Maybe a better analogy, for today standarts, is to strip the guy from his rolex, italian footwear and fancy pants and put him in an orange jumpsuit. – jean Mar 22 '19 at 18:36
  • It's interesting, but it put on the same level the nudity for Romans, and the nudity for Jewish, and it's in my opinion a mistake. – Quidam Dec 23 '20 at 10:48
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Ancient sources are pretty vague about crucifixion. My understanding is that the naked element comes from two sources: a single sentence in the Oneirocritica and from ancient Jewish practice/law. In the Oneirocritica the reference is to "naked (gumnos) flesh" on the pole (stauron). However, this work is about dreams and the context is pretty philosophical, so I definitely would not consider it purely literally. In ancient Jewish practice of execution the condemned was always stoned naked, and this was explicit.

In general, I think you are safe in assuming crucifixions were done naked because ancient Roman slaves did not wear undergarments. Most slaves just had a tunic and that was it. Most did not even have shoes. Take the tunic off and the guy is buck naked. Ancients did not, as far as I know, wear "loin cloths".

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    crucifixion was not limited to slaves. It was the standard means of execution for anyone not a Roman citizen (so also for free people in the provinces for example). I've indeed not been able to find any references to whether the executee would be naked on the cross. May well have depended on local customs and climate as well. If you want someone to suffer for a prolonged period in cold weather you'd best make sure he doesn't get hypothermia for example. – jwenting Aug 13 '15 at 05:40
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    There is also a line in the gospels about soldiers gambling over Jesus'clothes. Apart from other considerations, clothing items could be expensive and an executioner may have prefered to get them before they got stained with blood. – SJuan76 Aug 13 '15 at 07:33
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    @SJuan76 I was referring to ANCIENT sources, not Christian sources. – Tyler Durden Aug 13 '15 at 13:33
  • @TylerDurden What's not ancient about the gospels? – Felix Goldberg Aug 13 '15 at 14:13
  • @FelixGoldberg It is convention to describe the pre-Christian world as the "ancient" world. – Tyler Durden Aug 13 '15 at 14:20
  • @TylerDurden Ok, so anything before 313 (at the very least) is ancient by your definition? – Felix Goldberg Aug 13 '15 at 14:28
  • @FelixGoldberg Its just a common convention which you can find in any number of history books. Why are you splitting hairs? The point here is that using ancient Roman and Greek sources, rather than later Christian sources, we can potentially get a more accurate picture of crucifixion, untainted by religious prejudices. For that reason I specifically avoided listing the hundreds of various Christian descriptions of crucifixion. – Tyler Durden Aug 13 '15 at 14:36
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    @TylerDurden I am not splitting hairs at all here - my apologies if you got that impression. My point is that specifically the gospels (unlike other later Christian texts) are both ancient and Christian. They were written before 200 CE (certainly before Origen) and so they depict the realities of the era OP is asking about. Whether they are true, partially true, or complete fiction is irrelevant, by the way: if we consider them "historical novels", then we can safely assume their authors would have used credible details their readers could relate to. – Felix Goldberg Aug 13 '15 at 15:05
  • @FelixGoldberg Yes, but I had interpreted the question as pertaining to crucifixion as it was practiced in 30 A.D., not as it was practiced in 150 A.D. – Tyler Durden Aug 13 '15 at 16:25
  • @TylerDurden Presumably, it has not changed much in the intervening years. – Felix Goldberg Aug 13 '15 at 18:42
  • About the Jewish practice when stoning a condemned criminal: he wasn't in fact naked, but was given a loincloth (Talmud, Sanhedrin 44b). – user438 Aug 14 '15 at 22:59
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    Ancient persons wore loincloths. We see it in art, and Thucydides refers to runners in the Olympic games wearing them, before the fashion for Spartan nude running came in. – Zither13 Aug 15 '15 at 10:18
  • @Tyler Durden Yes, it's perfectly true, but we need the 2 kind of sources. And we need to remember that there were several kind of crucifixions. Roman ones, Jewish ones, etc. Not only one, through the time, and through the places of the world, like people think nowadays. And according to who was crucified, and their crime (Roman citizen guilt of betrayal), a slave, etc. – Quidam Dec 23 '20 at 10:53
  • It's not because "most slaves didn't wear undergarment", that everyone did. First, Jesus wasn't a slave, and undergarment did exist and was common. Very common. We have historical evidences about it. – Quidam Dec 23 '20 at 15:10