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  1. John 20:17

    Jesus replied, 'Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'

  2. Romans 15:6

    That together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

  3. Revelation 3:12

    The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.

These verses highlight Jesus' reverence towards God, indicating a relationship of worship and submission, even after the resurrection.

Question: If Jesus has a God, does Jesus also worship Him?

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    Actually, this will produce answers based on opinions as the Bible never records Jesus or the Father worshiping anyone or anything. Therefore, we do not know because we are not told. – Dottard Jan 17 '24 at 05:12
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    I have voted to close this question. It questions the relationship of Father and Son which requires, also, a deep understanding of the relationship of Jesus to God. This matter is far too spiritually sensitive to be covered by a site which focuses only on the hermeneutic analysis of the text itself. – Nigel J Jan 17 '24 at 05:42
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    Jesus said "we (Jesus himself included) worship what we know" Jesus worshipped and prayed to his God. John 4:22. Jesus by himself can do nothing, John 5:30. John 14:31 Jesus does what the Father tells him to do. – Alex Balilo Jan 17 '24 at 11:37
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    In the setting of the Jewish Temple, the pivotal question revolves around Jesus' worship of God. It doesn't precisely challenge the divinity of Jesus but rather delves into his reverence for God. – Betho's Jan 17 '24 at 15:59
  • It is a stretch to interpret Romans 15:6 as something Jesus did. Nor is there any reason to understand this narrowly as your question implies. If Paul is giving instructions to those who are Gentiles, isn't it appropriate to undertand the verse accordingly? IOW, those who never worshipped the Father since He is God of Israel are instructed to do so? – Revelation Lad Jan 18 '24 at 18:24
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    I’m voting to close this question because this is a theology question, belonging to Christianity.SE. – GratefulDisciple Jan 18 '24 at 19:36

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The appropriate focus of worship is given to Israel in the first 2 commandments1:

1 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

2 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them. (Exodus 20:3-5a)

Jesus kept both of these commandments:

1 Jesus was wholly dedicated to His Father's will (see John 6:39), even when it was the most challenging option available (see Matt. 26:39). He showed consistent deference to His Father (e.g. John 5:19-20, 26-27), and He did not permit competing objects of worship to occupy the place dedicated to His Father (Matt. 21:12-13)

2 Jesus did not focus His ministry on physical objects (Matt. 8:20), prominent position (Luke 14:10-11), or worldly prominence (John 15:18-19). His apostles emphatically rejected the worship of idols (Acts 17:29, Acts 19:26)

Jesus worshipped in accordance with the first two commandments.


1 - others of the remaining 8 commandments are relevant to the "how" of worship, but the first 2 specifically focus on "who" is worshipped

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  • Does the instruction Jesus gave in John 15:16 to "serve me" contracdict, complement, or replace Exodus 20:5a? – Revelation Lad Jan 18 '24 at 18:59
  • @RevelationLad I don't see a contradiction here - I think John 20:28 addresses the matter even more directly, and I don't think Thomas was in any way breaking the first 2 commandments. – Hold To The Rod Jan 19 '24 at 03:56
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    When I first read the question, I thought - Uh oh, "opinion-based" and consequently even thought to close it myself. I find this answer is not at all inappropriate however. Short but sweet. + 1. – Olde English Jan 19 '24 at 14:12
  • @OldeEnglish thanks! – Hold To The Rod Jan 19 '24 at 19:03
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Jesus bowed his head and prayed to be saved to the father (God) as did others before him.

There are many verses but I have limited to a few examples on each sub-heading so as not to make it too exhaustive.

one God & saviour

Isaiah 43:11 - I, I am the LORD, and besides me there is no saviour.

Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour beside me. (Hosea 13:4)

And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. (Luke 1:47)

Jesus said

“I do not accept praise from men” (John 5:41)

Matthew 15:9 - in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:7 - in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent." [John 17:3]

John 4:22 - 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.

Jesus Prayed

Clearly Jesus would understand the commandments of God as the only saviour and he prayed to him, which is basically worshipping him.

Luke 6:12 - In these days he went out to the mountain to pray, and all night he continued in prayer to God.

Luke 22:44 - And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.

Matt 26:44 So, leaving them again, he went away and prayed for the third time, saying the same words again.

Hebrews 5:7 - 7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.

Matt 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

Mark 14:35 - 35 And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.

others prayed similarly

Amplified Bible Gen 17:3 - Then Abram fell on his face [in worship], and God spoke with him, saying,

JOSHUA 5:14 – ESV - And he said, “No; but I am the commander of the army of the LORD. Now I have come.” And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped and said to him, “What does my lord say to his servant?”

NUMBERS 16:22 – BSB - But Moses and Aaron fell facedown and said, “O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, when one man sins, will You be angry with the whole congregation?”

NUMBERS 22:31 – BSB - Then the LORD opened Balaam’s eyes, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the road with a drawn sword in his hand. And Balaam bowed low and fell facedown.

Deut 9:25 So I fell down before the LORD for forty days and forty nights, because the LORD had said He would destroy you.

Joseph Gen 41:43 And he made him ride in his second chariot. And they called out before him, “Bow the knee!” Thus he set him over all the land of Egypt. So on……..

Jesus heard and saved

Father, I thank thee that thou heardest me. And I knew that thou hearest me always." (John 11:41-42).

Luke 4:10-12 10 for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee, to guard thee: 11 and, On their hands they shall bear thee up, Lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone.

[for more: https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/q/54082/33268]

Jesus was never worshipped only revered

We have some passages that imply Jesus was worshipped, however, this is a manipulation of text.

‘worshipped’ comes from the Greek proskynein - ‘bow down, prostrate oneself, make obeisance before.’

It denotes the act of homage before a monarch or a superior, or prostration before God in worship.”

When used for others, the words used are knelt, bowed etc… however, when it comes to Jesus the word is twisted to ‘worshipped’.

KJV in particular is guilty of this, ‘worshipped’ couple of examples;

Matt 8:2 KJV - And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

NIV - A man with leprosy came and knelt before him and said, “Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean.”

Mark 5:6

KJV - But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,

NIV - When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of him.

Same word is used for others

Then Abraham rose and bowed down before the people of the land, the Hittites. (Genesis 23:7)

Genesis 33:3 Jacob bowing down(shachah;proskynein) to his brother Esau seven times!

Daniel 2:46 KJV: Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped (shachah;proskynein) Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him.

Act 10:25 ESV: When Peter entered, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him.

Son of man is often manipulated as well –

Daniel 7: 13-14 One like a Son of Man – The word ‘man’ in Heb. and Aram. is generic in sense and means mankind. ’Son of Man’ is therefore a normal expression for a single human being. [anyway this is for another Q]

Conclusion

Jesus never stated he is God or asked others to worship him, this has all come about after.

Jesus bowed & fell on the floor and prayed to God to be saved like those before him. Others bowed to others as homage not as worship of God.

Clearly to pray to be saved someone is higher then him. As pointed out it is indicated after the resurrection, not only before.

Was Jesus equal to God: https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/a/69382/33268

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    Peter rejected Cornelius's worship – Jonathan Cast Jan 17 '24 at 17:59
  • @JonathanCast - yes he did, in this instance I was trying to show the selectiveness of the use proskynein – another theory Jan 18 '24 at 09:37
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    Your answer would be more complete if you addressed Thomas saying to Jesus, "My Lord and My God." Something both Jesus and John let stand without correction. In fact, Jesus promised those who had not seen but believe would be blessed. Given the failure of John to insert a comment about what Jesus and or Thomas meant, isn't the message those who like Thomas say to Jesus "My Lord and my God" will be blessed? – Revelation Lad Jan 18 '24 at 18:56
  • @RevelationLad - numerous issues with this but a few brief points - 1) prior to Codex Bezae - it was simply 'theos' in the sense of divine. 2) Thomas alleged words not Jesus. 3) contradicts Luke 24:33 Jesus appeared to the eleven (Judas already dead) and no one mentions anything about holes etc... 4) few passages later John 20:31 - Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God (not God) - albeit a number of issues with that as well as much of John - see: https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/a/63568/33268 – another theory Jan 19 '24 at 12:04
  • Well delineated on this one, + 1. On checking out 69382/33268, I see that I upvoted you there as well, although I guess from how I remarked back then, I haven't always been a fan. – Olde English Jan 19 '24 at 14:00
  • If the original audience understood it as theos wouldn’t they understand that as theos (as opposed to something like not a theos)? 2. Thomas “alleged” words. But why would John include them if not to show the reader their response? Are we to suppose John included this highly deceptive event and then failed to insert a comment to prevent the reader from reaching an obviuosly wrong conclusion? How does align with the numerous narrator comments which point out misunderstandings and give the correct one? 3. You assume the “eleven” means the 11 remaining apostles. But John states Mary…
  • – Revelation Lad Jan 19 '24 at 16:56
  • …His mother immediately went with the disciple whom Jesus loved. If that disciple was one of the 12 apostles, might Luke’s 11 include Mary, the mother of Jesus? 4. The Christ, the Son if God. Care to offer any OT passages which state the Christ will be the Son of God? Would a Gentile believe the Son of God was not Himself God? Again, why would John place dozens of statements which would lead a reader to believe Jesus was Himself God but not tell us plainly this was not the case? – Revelation Lad Jan 19 '24 at 17:01
  • @RevelationLad - yes possible this and that - why only John mentions this? why not believe when he / disciples given authority to 'raise the dead'? why Jesus not simply say at any time I am God or worship me. So, on and on ..... – another theory Jan 22 '24 at 10:16
  • If you believe John invented the Thomas story, doesn't that only seeve to strengthen the message? Doesn't a position that Thomas didn't say that based on Luke mean John "invented" the story in order that people would believe one of the original 12 called Jesus His God? Isn't that another answer to the question, "Who do you say I am?" – Revelation Lad Jan 22 '24 at 16:04
  • @RevelationLad - you seem to have a lot of Q, please ask a Q and direct me / send the link, happy to answer - 'I am' - see https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/a/76782/33268 – another theory Jan 23 '24 at 10:59
  • A classic non-answer to avoid answering what seems to be your position: the event of Thomas was fabricated. Followed up by changing the subject to “I am” and distorting Mark 8:27 where Jesus asks εἶναι not ἐγὼ εἰμί. – Revelation Lad Jan 23 '24 at 16:02
  • @RevelationLad - it’s too much to answer in comments, ask a Q and happy to answer - I thought my position was clear in the links in comments regarding 'Thomas'. 'I am' I presumed you were referring to that. – another theory Jan 24 '24 at 09:30
  • I see you have asked the question. I will answer there. – Revelation Lad Jan 24 '24 at 22:04