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Three days ago I was doing a bible study with my friend and I came across Ezekiel 9:6-7, where God orders the slaughter of men, women and children, as a somewhat new Christian I was obviously disgusted and horrified by the verse, but can my fellow brothers and sisters Christians explain this verse for me in more detailed information, it is greatly appreciated.

Ezekiel 9:6-7 says this:

  1. Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

  2. And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

Can only my fellow Christians please answer this verse? I would like to know their interpretation of this verse.

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    Did you read this passage in context? Did you notice it was a vision? Do you know this is not the only age of salvation and God wants all to realise eternal life? If God disgusts us, we don’t understand who He is, what He is doing, or how He is doing it. – Steve May 22 '21 at 04:47
  • 1.) All users on this site may answer all questions. And many here would not self-identify as 'Christian'. 2.) The chapter is a vision and has spiritual meaning. Nobody died that die and your accusation of 'ordering murder' has no basis in fact. 3.) Please see the Tour and the Help (below, bottom left) as to the purpose and the functioning of this moderated website. – Nigel J May 22 '21 at 07:47
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    An meaningful answer to your actual question would necessarily involve distinctly Christian theology and dogma, unknown to the ancient Jewish writer penning the original text; as such, it would be more appropriate on Christianity.SE. – Lucian May 22 '21 at 18:27
  • There are simple explanations to this question, but they depend on interpretations of specific denominations (i.e. other denominations wouldn't accept them as valid answers). Such answers aren't appropriate on this site. As Lucian suggested, Christianity.SE would be a much better place to ask. – Ray Butterworth May 23 '21 at 00:54

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Why does God order the murder of men, women and children in Ezekiel 9:6-7?

Answer: These are all difficult due to our worldly perspective. We do not see our lives as God sees them from a position of absolute holiness. This world is often ugly, but we rarely understand that ugliness because we happen to be part of it.

As suggested by @Dave, there are many passages in Scripture, as with those in Ezekiel, that are really hard for us to swallow, even when we think we understand them. Such themes are difficult because we view everything from a jaundiced, fleshly perspective rather than from a spiritual one.

We think we know better. We believe that, if it were our responsibility, we would do things differently from that of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent Deity. We are horribly mistaken. Due to our limited knowledge and wisdom, we rarely understand the whole picture.

Often, we simply cannot fathom why Almighty God allows certain events to transpire: we have missed the full ramifications of what is being related. We feel that God is unfair, or unjust, or that He is harsh. Our problem is that we cannot see the forest for the trees. If we could, our reasoning would be radically altered.

Consider the following.

When Israel invaded Canaan, they were to do so based on the terrible ruthlessness of those nations. They practiced child sacrifice (burning them alive!) and many other horrific crimes. A modern example might be those like ISIS, who commit unspeakable atrocities. What might we expect of these people, other than their utter destruction? Many of us view them as barbarians unworthy of life. Men and women like these seem possessed by the Devil.

Back to Canaan. Their punishment was hardly capricious. God had allowed this to continue for centuries before He finally had enough (Gen. 15:16). "[They had filled] up the measure of their sins [and God's] wrath [came] upon them to the utmost" (1 Thessalonians 2:16).

There is something very significant, something almost everyone overlooks, regarding children. Many of these had been raised under the excesses of those who were responsible for the carnage. Had they grown to adults, they would, in all likelihood, follow in precisely the same footsteps as their horribly sinful parents.

Here is what we fail to appreciate: all young children are unaccountable for their actions. This is true until a child reaches an age around 13 (perhaps as much as 17 or more?). God is, in fact, sparing these children from spiritual death: eternal torture in the flames of Hell. This is an act of profound mercy.


Such types of destruction, as with the idolatrous Israelites who remained in Israel - those not exiled to Babylon, were only implemented on occasions when the lifestyles of the people exceeded that which God would tolerate, and of that which He had warned so many times before (cf. Deu. 28:15+, especially gruesome). These were instances where "moral surgery" became necessary; the good would far outweigh the evil, and such would benefit all.

God does not "pull punches": He conveys the brutal truth to us. Yes, some Old Testament narratives such as Ezekiel 9 illustrate just how much "innocent" people can and do suffer from the sins of others. However, it is most likely that those who were truly innocent were exiled and thus spared from the devastation that would follow.

This is simply the world in which we live. And, God is bringing it all to an end. Such examples serve to highlight just how much we must all strive to live godly lives in the face of great evil.

Xeno
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  • I must admit I have a problem with The Bible and violence (see also Canaanite genocide and Herem), especially when it is unquestionably mandated by God. I cannot help asking myself this question: if God wanted to "utterly destroy" cities and/or nations, why didn't He invariably do as He did with Sodom and Gomorrah, without involving Israel in the "bloody business"? – Miguel de Servet May 24 '21 at 10:06
  • @MigueldeServet We probably all have a problem with such things (read Deu. 28:15+), but we weren't there. Our limited minds cannot see what God sees. As far as His not doing the same as S/G, you may remember they were incinerated alive by the blast. Gen. 19:24-25: "Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven, and He overthrew those cities, and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground." Again, we do not know the depths of the depravity to which God was witness, but He is never capricious about such things. – Xeno May 24 '21 at 18:42
  • You have missed one key point: why di God choose to involve Israel in the "bloody business"? – Miguel de Servet May 24 '21 at 20:13
  • @Miguel Read Ezek. 8:17b: "[The] house of Judah [has committed] abominations, [they] have filled the land with violence and provoked Me repeatedly..." It's very important to recognize those whom the angels marked on their foreheads would be spared. They were the ones to "sigh and groan" over the abominations being committed. Israel could have avoided this carnage through obedience to God. Instead, they provoked Him to anger. Note: The "land [was] filled with blood and perversions by their iniquities." We cannot see the whole picture. If we could our perspective would be changed dramatically. – Xeno May 24 '21 at 21:15
  • Xeno, let me try to ask the question once again, for clarity: it is not only in Ezekiel 9:6-7 (allegedly in a vision) that God ordered the murder of men, women and children. Why did He? Most of all, why did He involve Israel in the "bllody business" of carrying out the killing? – Miguel de Servet May 24 '21 at 21:48
  • @MigueldeServet There are many hard passages in the Bible. I believe we are to understand that God chose Israel as His instrument of destruction against those who would perform child sacrifices, burning infants alive, along with many other horrific crimes as I wrote. I also used the modern example of those like ISIS, who commit unspeakable atrocities. What would you do about such depraved people? As I also wrote, many of us view them as barbarians unworthy of life since they consist of men and women who appear to be possessed by the Devil. They are certainly Satan's ministers. – Xeno May 24 '21 at 23:56
  • Xeno, would Christ have recommended such treatment? – Miguel de Servet May 25 '21 at 00:11
  • @MigueldeServet I'm unclear as to your position. Christ is and was God both in the N/T and the O/T. He appeared visibly and often throughout the O/T, as for example: Gen. 3:8, 12:7, 16:11,13, 17:1, 18:1-3, 22:15-17, 32:24-30, Ex. 3:2-6, 24:9-10, 33:11, Num. 12:5, Jos. 5:15, and so forth. – Xeno May 25 '21 at 00:25
  • Xeno, anyway, so as to dispel all doubts, I believe that none of the theophanies in the O/T was a christophany. – Miguel de Servet May 25 '21 at 07:21
  • @MigueldeServet That's OK. Many agree with you. I found it very interesting the Angel of the Lord appears so often in the same context as the Lord, and God. At any rate, I hope I was able to allay some of the difficulty you had with some of the very hard passages in Scripture. – Xeno May 25 '21 at 16:48
  • I hope I was able to allay some of the difficulty you had with some of the very hard passages in Scripture. Xeno, not really, but thank you for trying :) – Miguel de Servet May 25 '21 at 18:08
  • @MigueldeServet, throughout history (w/ some exceptions: e.g., S&G, the Flood), God has chosen people to do His work. He chooses us to carry the gospel to a lost generation. He chose the Babylonians to discipline His people, Israel. He chose Israel to wipe out the pagan nations/peoples. This gives us insight into our unchanging God and how he deals with sin. Jesus has the same heart -- he warns us as much when He advises us to take sin seriously (sermon on the Mount). – juanchito Jun 05 '22 at 14:35
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Your question is similar to many some bring up - they look at these incidents in the Old Testament and ask the inevitable questions. Your question relates to what Ezekiel saw. But to fully understand this, you really need to have the foundation of what the Old Testament reveals prior to this, parts of which I need to briefly summarise. (So will lack important in-depth background understandings).

The other aspect to understand this incident may? also require putting aside some of your current understanding of the Old Testament. Nevertheless, let’s look a little closer ... first some background ...

Ezekiel was a prophet for Judah, the southern kingdom. The nation of Israel had split into two. A ‘prophet’ was someone who interacted with the ‘spiritual realm’. And much of Ezekiel is ‘looking’ into this realm. It is important to keep this in mind.

Judah was in captivity, in Babylon. King Nebuchadrezzar had ransacked Jerusalem, the temple, then returned later and took [many/most] of the nation into captivity - including Ezekiel. But what’s important to ‘take’ from this is the reasons why. Why was Judah ‘exposed’, ‘unprotected’ - even though their God was Almighty God, Yahweh. Reason - the Law. The nation was ‘under the Mosaic Law. Captivity because they violated the Sabbath. Desecration because they began to worship other gods. And because of this, they took themselves out from under Gods protection.

DEUT 28:45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon you and pursue and overtake you, until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which He commanded you.

Deuteronomy 28 starting at verse 15 has a long list of consequences. Some very ‘heavy’ consequences! You should read these! It will help towards understanding what happens in Ezekiel 8/9.

Some other background that would help is realising that being ‘put’ under the Law was not Gods idea - but that’s outside of being needed for this answer. The captivity, Judah being taken out of Judah, and put under a Nation with other gods was a ‘life preserver’ - doing this, it ‘shielded’ them from those consequences listed in Deuteronomy.

But what you read in Ezekiel 9 is for those who weren’t taken captive! Those who stayed (the reasons are interesting, eye opening, but outside of this answer.). Nevertheless, what you read in Ezekiel, the horrific judgements, were exactly those listed in Deuteronomy. And because they were ‘under Law’, God had no choice but to permit them.

Violating the Law was serious! It ‘killed’ thousands! A man picking up sticks! There was zero mercy, zero tolerance. The Law was not Gods idea! But God could not stop the judgement - the penalty was demanded by an Accuser.

In Ezekiel 9, we see the ‘background’ (spiritual realm) to what was described in Ezekiel 8. The ‘men’ assigned to ‘kill’ were spiritual entities - angels. Just like we see throughout the Old Testament - the firstborn in Egypt, Sodom, Lot, David in 1 Chronicles 21. Destroying Angels. They, ‘the angelic executioners’, came from the way of the upper gate - the Northern gate. All ‘spiritual oppression’ comes unto Jerusalem from the North.

The instructions to these ‘men’ were to carry out the requirements of the Law, the demands of the Law. The Israelites were warned repeatedly that there was no leeway - no tolerance!

EXODUS 23:21 Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgressions

So those that were judged in Ezekiel 9 were judged under the Law - not by God. They were there (not exiled) because they had ‘rejected’ God, were worshiping idols - in the temple!!!. They had taken onto themselves the consequences of the Law. There are other significant factors that contribute to their ‘status’, to them being the [seemingly innocent- but not] recipients of judgement, but you’d need a book to outline this. Sufficient to say that at this stage, they were ‘reprobate’ - (Romans 1 has a description of this state.).

Summary - There are clear understandings to these Old Testament incidents, but they are not necessarily found in the ‘traditional doctrinal explanations’. There is not much comfort in those explanations - but the Bible does have satisfying explanations, they are there - ones that show what was really behind these - and importantly, ones that reflect the same God you see in the New Testament. But a forum answer can’t reveal these, you need a book.

Dave
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  • While I have some problems with your response, we need to remember that young children are unaccountable and thus saved. God was actually sparing the young ones from spiritual death** - had they grown to young adults. The debauchery that you mention among the Israelites that remained demanded justice as you say, but it was God who delivered the Law to Moses. God and His Law were inseparable. – Xeno May 22 '21 at 20:46
  • @Xeno Then I look forward to your view on this Q. And, BTW, I did not say the Law was not God’s Law - is is. And it’s Holy. What I said was that it was not God’s idea to put man under it! – Dave May 22 '21 at 20:50
  • I'm not sure what you mean by "it was not God’s idea to put man under it." Who's idea was it then? My questions are sincere. – Xeno May 22 '21 at 20:53
  • @Xeno Jesus came for many reasons. One of which was to ‘get’ the Jews ‘out’ from ‘under it’. The Law held them captive. Why would Jesus have to ‘get’ them out from under it if his Father had put them there? No - they (Israelites) put themselves under it - I could elaborate, and exegise this, but not via comments. – Dave May 22 '21 at 20:58
  • @Xeno This ‘Law’ question is huge - Only adding here to try and clarify my (personal) view. God Law is, was, and will always be. It summarises the standard for the righteousness God requires. But it’s impossible for man to achieve righteousness via the Law. The laws [also] outline ‘right living’ - and all believers should be looking to ‘live right’. But if you are ‘under’ the Law, it [also] means that that’s how you ‘get’ your righteousness. And God never intended man to ‘get’ righteousness via the Law - but that doesn’t mean the Law hasn’t got a place. – Dave May 22 '21 at 21:40
  • @Xeno (follow up) For the record ... I totally agree that salvation for any young who might die as a result of the judgement carried out by these ‘men’ (angels) is not in question. Scripture is quite clear on this point. Penalty extracted by judgement under the Law is against the flesh - not the spirit. Many, including the man ‘picking up sticks’ (Numbers 15) who was ‘judged’ and stoned, would be most likely be ‘saved’. And, on another point, great to see your response to this Q. – Dave May 24 '21 at 03:33
  • Thanks for that. For some reason, I don't remember seeing your comments until now. I do remember that your first comment prompted me to write my response. My position on how Israel was cursed by the Law is that the law exposes our iniquities, it is not, by itself, anything less than holy and righteous. We probably agree on more than you might think. – Xeno May 24 '21 at 04:58
  • @Dave, What I said was that it was not God’s idea to put man under it [God’s Law]! Wouldn't you say that God took quite a long detour, then? – Miguel de Servet May 24 '21 at 10:12
  • @Miguel de Servet Mmm, not sure what you mean by ‘long detour’? - As I said, putting the Israelites ‘under’ the Law was not Gods idea - but it was the only way to keep them ‘safe’. The ‘view’ I presented in the answer needs far more ‘foundation/explanation’ than there is room for. – Dave May 24 '21 at 18:43
  • Dave, (1) God was the One who gave the Law to Israel. I still don't understand what you mean by "it was not God’s idea to put man under it". (2) If the "essence" of the Law had to wait until Christ to be made clear, that sure was a long detour. – Miguel de Servet May 24 '21 at 20:22