"n" in genitive indefinite plural

Question

What would be the explanation for additional "n" in indefinite genitive plural of noun Bild and Kraft?

             Singular    Plural
Nominativ   eine Kraft   Kräfte
Genitiv     einer Kraft  Kräften <-- THIS
Dativ       einer Kraft  Kräften
Akkusativ   eine Kraft   Kräfte

https://dict.leo.org/german-english/bild

and

            Singular              Plural
Nominativ   ein Bild              Bilder
Genitiv     eines Bilds/Bildes    Bildern <-- THIS
 Dativ      einem Bild            Bildern
Akkusativ   ein Bild              Bilder

https://dict.leo.org/chinesisch-deutsch/Kraft

Please click on left side book type icon beside the noun. – ughi tudhi Oct 11 '19 at 08:39 — ughi tudhi, Oct 11 '19 at 08:39

score 3 · Answer 1 · answered Oct 11 '19 at 08:48

LEO is simply wrong. Not only is there no 'n' in any of these genitive forms, the 'bestimmt'/'unbestimmt' feature doesn't affect noun inflection at all (it affects adjective inflection). I'm afraid their feature is broken both in particular and in general.

Björn Friedrich · Answer 2 · 2019-10-11T12:24:21.873

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The tables from the linked pages are wrong. Examples of genitive plural forms in connection with indefinite article words are:

Die Summe aller Kräften ist Null.

Er glaubte an die Wirkung irgendwelcher Kräften.

Er wurde wegen mancher Bildern kritisiert.

Die Farben sämtlicher Bildern waren ausgeblichen.

^{(Remark with respect to some comments: When a letter is striked through, such as n above, then this usually means: it's wrong with the letter, it's right without the letter.)}

Notice that, for nouns, it would not make a difference, if a definite article would be used. The distinction becomes important only when we talk about adjectives, for which there is weak, strong, and mixed declension.

edited Oct 11 '19 at 12:24

answered Oct 11 '19 at 09:24

Björn Friedrich

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"Wegen Bildern" is acceptable because "wegen" can be construed either with genitive or dative. But all your other three examples are wrong. – fdb Oct 11 '19 at 09:48
Sein Kunstgeschmack wurde manch Bilder röhrender Hirsche wegen in Zweifel gezogen. – Janka Oct 11 '19 at 11:00
@fdb Could you asserts the mistakes in the sentence. – ughi tudhi Oct 11 '19 at 11:00
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@ughitudhi. It should be Kräfte, Kräfte, Bilder, Bilder. – fdb Oct 11 '19 at 11:32
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To clarify what I wrote before: "wegen mancher Bilder" (gen. pl.) is correct Standard German. "Wegen manchen Bildern" (dat. pl.) is now also considered acceptable. "Wegen mancher Bildern" is wrong. – fdb Oct 11 '19 at 11:36
Is the above explanation about your this sentence "But all your other three examples are wrong? – ughi tudhi Oct 11 '19 at 11:40
@ughitudhi. I should have written: "All four are wrong". – fdb Oct 11 '19 at 11:41
@fdb Thank you. – ughi tudhi Oct 11 '19 at 11:43
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@fdb ??? The n is striked through in all four cases, right? Other readers usually understand that this means: the forms with n are wrong. – Björn Friedrich Oct 11 '19 at 12:19
@BjörnFriedrich. Ok, I can see it now (VERY faint on my screen). – fdb Oct 11 '19 at 12:30

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