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I am trying to say:

This is the first time I visit her

This is how I thought it should be written:

C'est la première fois que je lui visite

This is how it is actually written:

C'est la première fois que je lui rends visite

When I check the meaning of 'rends' it means "return/restore"

Can someone explain how does it fit in the above sentence and why is it actually needed?

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Your sentence is wrong.

C'est la première fois que je visite le musée, le cinéma, etc.

That is, visiter quelque chose.

C'est la première fois que je rends visite à Georges (man)/Hélène (woman)/. => C'est la première fois que je lui rends visite (and not visiter !!!).

That is rendre visite à quelqu'un.

[Google Translate actually gives the correct translation.]

Man or woman is immaterial, inasmuch as the expression is rendre visite à quelqu'un (googling complément d'objet indirect or French Dative).

For a group of people (immaterial of sex) it would be:

C'est la première fois que je leur rends visite.

One should learn "rendre visite à" as a fixed expression (expression figée). There is no reason to break it into different parts. In expressions of this kind one should not isolate, for instance, rendre from visite and so on.

In compound tenses there is no need of agreement of the past participle. That is, one would say in passé composé

C'est la première fois que je lui ai rendu/leur ai rendu visite.

This is the basic usage; sufficient for débutants/faux débutants of the French language. For more details see here:

« Visiter » vs « rendre visite à » ?.

As @jlliagre clarifies:

You write "This is the first time I visit her (a girl). That's why lui is needed". In fact, should lui has been needed, that would actually be le at the masculine (c'est la première fois que je le visite) and elle at the feminine (c'est la première fois que je la visite). Still incorrect though, as je lui rends visite is the right expression.

Also

C'est la première fois que je la visite is grammatically correct but if said by a native French speaker referring to a girl, will likely be understood as a joke or (possibly) with a sexual connotation.

and

In any case, we do not use that much the verb visiter here. The translation that first comes to mind is C'est la première fois que je vais (la voir) chez elle.

According to the book Larousse Thématique : Dictionnaire des difficultés de la langue française

(...) visiter peut se dire aussi pour "rendre visite".

In particular the following examples are given (taken by Littré, Académie, Larousse du XXe siècle).

Visiter ses chefs. Visiter un ami. Visiter un malade.

Still from the same book

il (i.e. visite) se dit surtout pour les malades, les pauvres, etc.

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  • The sentence is in the middle of a paragraph. I am trying to say: This is the first time I visit her (a girl). Thats why lui is needed. – Mohammad Sep 26 '19 at 19:37
  • @Mhmd As I wrote : C'est la premiere fois que je lui rends visite. Man or woman is immaterial, inasmuch as the expression rendre visite à quelqu'un (complément d'objet indirect). – Dimitris Sep 26 '19 at 19:39
  • I understand. so I should just remove the 'r' in visiter. but can you tell me what is the significance of rends in the sentence. – Mohammad Sep 26 '19 at 19:41
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    @Mhmd Try to learn this as a fixed expression. In French one would say "expression figée". Don't try to isolate rendre from visite. – Dimitris Sep 26 '19 at 19:43
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    @Mhmd You write "This is the first time I visit her (a girl). That's why lui is needed". In fact, should lui has been needed, that would actually be elle in that case giving c'est la première fois que je la* visite. Still incorrect though, as je lui rends visite* is the right expression. – jlliagre Sep 26 '19 at 19:56
  • @jlliagre Also I added an answer in an old relevant question https://french.stackexchange.com/questions/8447/visiter-vs-rendre-visite-%c3%a0 – Dimitris Sep 26 '19 at 20:02
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    @Dimitris C'est la première fois que je la visite is grammatically correct but if said by a native French speaker referring to a girl, will likely be understood as a joke. – jlliagre Sep 26 '19 at 20:26
  • @jlliagre Je la visite does it have any sexual connotation ? – Dimitris Sep 26 '19 at 20:29
  • Possibly indeed. In any case, we do not use that much the verb visiter here. The translation that first comes to mind is *C'est la première fois que je vais (la voir) chez elle*. – jlliagre Sep 26 '19 at 20:35
  • @jlliagre Should I live the answer as it is or add also 'Cest la première fois que je vais (la voir) chez elle? (Thanks for the comments!) – Dimitris Sep 26 '19 at 20:37
  • C'est la première fois que je lui rends visite is fine and idiomatic but feel free to add my suggestion as a less formal alternative. – jlliagre Sep 26 '19 at 20:40
  • Why do you use the plural in Your sentences are* wrong* ? – jlliagre Sep 27 '19 at 08:25
  • @jlliagre Initialement l'OP a écrit : C'est la première fois que je lui visiter et C'est la première fois que je lui rends visiter. – Dimitris Sep 27 '19 at 08:43
  • Okay, that was off-topic and possibly a typo. You should use the singular now the OP corrected it. – jlliagre Sep 27 '19 at 08:46
  • @jlliagre Déjà corrigé:-)! – Dimitris Sep 27 '19 at 08:48
  • By the way quelqu'une is almost unused, quelqu'un being neutral and indefinite. Most people would consider rendre viste à quelqu'une incorrect or kind of a joke. – jlliagre Sep 27 '19 at 08:53
  • @jlliagre Je viens de le modifier. Merci encore ! – Dimitris Sep 27 '19 at 09:01