Questions tagged [double-possessives]

For questions about using two different possessive markers, like “of Bob’s” or “of mine”. Also known as 'double genitives' or 'oblique genitives'.

The double genitive is the peculiarly English combination where two different possessive markers are employed simultaneously. This occurs when an inflectional genitive serves as the object of the periphrastic genitive. Historically, this construction is sometimes called the cumulative genitive, the pleonastic genitive, or the double possessive.

To form a double genitive, two different kinds of possessive are required:

  1. These are inflectional genitives (that is, ones marked by case):

    • possessive pronouns: mine, thine, his, hers, its, ours, yours, theirs
    • possessive nouns: Sam’s, Alice’s, James’s, Italy’s, the town’s, the queen’s, my friends’
    • possessive noun phrases marked with the Saxon genitive: the Queen of England’s

  2. These are periphrastic genitives (that is, formed using the preposition of):

    • of Italy, of Sam
    • of the town
    • of me, of us, of them

  3. And these are double genitives, which combine both types of possessive:

    • a friend of Sam’s
    • a friend of ours

This produces opposing pairs of contrasting meaning, the simple form first and then the doubled form second with further added nuance of ownership:

  • a picture of me   vs.   a picture of mine
  • a picture of Sam   vs.   a picture of Sam’s
  • a picture of the town   vs.   a picture of the town’s

In the first of each pair above, the painting depicts a person or a town, whereas in the second, the painting is actually owned by a person or a town and says nothing about the subject depicted.

The OED has an 1898 citation that observes that this construction may be a partitive one:

  • 1898 H. Sweet New Eng. Gram. II. 54

    The pleonastic genitive, as in he is a friend of my brother’s, is generally partitive = ‘one of the friends of my brother’.

Although it has been occasionally frowned upon as inelegant, the double genitive has a very long history in English, and it remains a perfectly normal English construction in good standing.

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possessive ('s) used in the word "family"

Which of the following sentences is correct? He's a friend of my family. He's a friend of my family's.
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Use of possessive case in a disjunction

what is the correct form? This It will be a pain to manage renewals without an automatic charge on your's or your customer's credit card. or this It will be a pain to manage renewals without an automatic charge on your or your customer's credit…
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"our important customer" vs. "important customer of ours"

Any difference between: "He is an important customer of ours" and: "He is our important customer"
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If "some books of Jane’s" and "that dog of John's" are correct, why is "a car of my friend's" not correct?

As the following examples show, if Y possesses X we can use the double possessive "X of Y's". an example from merriam-webster.com: (1) It had long been a dream of Mabel's to win the baking contest. That is: Mabel possesses a dream. an example from…
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Double Possessive - two friends of hers

The train arrived at the station, and Paula got off. Two friends of hers, Jon and Rachel, were waiting to meet her. I understand why I should say 'a friend of hers' instead of 'her a friend'. But here I cannot understand why 'two friends of hers'…
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"Of someboy's" vs "of somebody."

I'm not a native English speaker so I wanted to ask about something that I always hear being said. The thing of somebody's. Is this right? Shouldn't it be this way? Somebody's thing. Or The thing of somebody. Please answer because this is…
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Double possessives

I am confused with one question. I've been self-studying English for several time. But I've thought about does possessives have sneaky apects. Some days ago I faced with double possessive so I made decision to find out more information about them.…
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"An idea of the boss's" is correct. Therefore, "nationality of the boss's" and "a death of the boss's" are correct too, right?

The question is about when it's possible to use the double possessive "X of Y's" if "X" is an abstract noun. As far as I know: (1a) an idea of the boss — correct (1b) an idea of the boss's — correct (1c) a boss idea — incorrect (1d) the boss's idea…
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