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You should help John rather than he helping you.

I sometimes see this sentence pattern. But I feel like something is missing between "he" and "helping". What is this pattern?

Edit: I found a sentence in another forum:

Most people want fees for subsidised patients to be standardised rather than each public hospital setting its own rates - the way (they do now) now.

https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/standardised-rather-than-have-having-each-public-hospital.2829335/

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I think the phrase construction is not ideal. Look up the subjunctive form:

You should help John rather than he help you.

Using the progressive form, which suggests the action is ongoing, is an alternative way to express the same concept:

You should be helping John instead of him helping you.

From Lexico (formerly Oxford Dictionaries)

  1. In that-clauses Nowadays it [the subjunctive] is probably most frequent in that-clauses with verbs such as demand, insist, pray, recommend, suggest, and semantically related nouns/adjectives, e.g. essential, important, insistence, proposal, etc.
  • She declined a seat beside Charles on the sofa. She insisted that Jane sit there.
  • It was suggested that he wait until the next morning.
  • It is important that they be aware of the provisions of the Act.

Note: In most such cases it can be replaced by should + infinitive or by the indicative form of the verb:

  • She declined a seat beside Charles on the sofa. She insisted that Jane sat there.
  • It was suggested that he should wait until the next morning.
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  • But my teacher said "rather than he helps you" is ungrammatical. – dodoll Dec 25 '20 at 08:49
  • Why is "s" not need? Is it because you omit the "should"? – dodoll Dec 25 '20 at 09:11
  • @dodoll I really don't have the spare time to go into details, it seemed you were saying that I had written "he helps you" when I had not. So, to answer your most recent question: Immediately after "should" the verb is in the infinite e.g. "He should study" and "*He should be** studying*" – Mari-Lou A Dec 25 '20 at 09:20
  • @dodoll In British English "It's important that Bob helps you" is more common whereas in American English "It's important that Bob help you" is considered to be grammatically correct. – Mari-Lou A Dec 25 '20 at 09:23
  • "It's important that Bob help you" is new to me. Thanks! I learn something new today. But I saw "rather than + subject + verb-ing" a few times so I wonder what sentence pattern it is. – dodoll Dec 25 '20 at 10:05
  • @dodoll Then please show the link where you saw this construction IN the question. If it's from memory you should state this. – Mari-Lou A Dec 25 '20 at 10:12
  • I just found a sentence and added it in the question. Thank you for your help! – dodoll Dec 25 '20 at 10:31
  • You use the subjunctive form after rather? it doesn't sound correct to me. – Peter Shor Oct 27 '22 at 20:19
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Most people want fees for subsidised patients to be standardised rather than each public hospital setting its own rates

I see this an abbreviated form of

Most people want fees for subsidised patients to be standardised rather than to have each public hospital setting its own rates