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My brain is broken now. I admit defeat. I do not know what a noun is. My current understanding was a person place or thing and the vocabulary book I'm working through has broken me.

Penurious is an adjective. One could say that a student is penurious. This makes sense.

Penuriousness is a noun. But why? I'm missing a link and it is rattling my brains.

  • A noun is what you call something, whether it is real or a concept. Oddly enough, verb is a noun, as is adjective. – Mick Dec 22 '16 at 18:25
  • Wait, that might be two links I'm missing. A noun can be a concept. So happiness is a concept, while happy is an adjective. –  Dec 22 '16 at 18:32
  • But I need more understanding on this adjective is a noun business. Please explain further. –  Dec 22 '16 at 18:34
  • Penuriousness isn't as nice a noun as penury –  Dec 22 '16 at 18:35
  • @Hank It's not a question of learning English; it's a question of learning basic (universal) language. – Janus Bahs Jacquet Dec 22 '16 at 18:43
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    Penuriousness is a thing. It's a concept, like the nouns love and hate. – Hot Licks Dec 22 '16 at 18:44
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    Relevant: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=282 – sumelic Dec 22 '16 at 19:17
  • Related ELU question: http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/217760/what-is-the-difference-between-a-part-of-speech-and-a-syntactic-function-gramm – sumelic Dec 22 '16 at 19:21
  • @JanusBahsJacquet Orly? – Hank Dec 22 '16 at 20:13
  • @Hank Yes, rly. Nouns exist in pretty much all languages, not just English, and they share the majority of their properties in the vast majority of them. – Janus Bahs Jacquet Dec 22 '16 at 20:15
  • @JanusBahsJacquet This is true but the specifics of this situation are with English nouns. The subject of his post is about a specific English noun/adjective, hence why it was migrated here. It would not benefit to poster to migrate it to Japanese Language. Do you have a better SE site to send him to in order to teach him about that specific English noun? – Hank Dec 22 '16 at 20:18
  • @Hank If anything, I would have voted to move this to Linguistics, not ELL. It's not about penury in itself, but about how to define what nouns are, as opposed to other word classes. Sure, there are specifics to English, but the question doesn't seem to be particularly about those. – Janus Bahs Jacquet Dec 22 '16 at 20:21
  • "adjective is a noun." The word adjective is a noun. It's the name of a class of things, namely those words that modify nouns. – deadrat Dec 22 '16 at 20:24
  • @JanusBahsJacquet While I do agree the OP does need to learn what a noun is from the Linguistics side, I still feel that the intention was to learn specifically English. By teaching the OP the linguistics side of it, he may not have his original intended question fully answered. That's just my take. – Hank Dec 22 '16 at 20:36
  • Maybe it’s a but circular, but a noun is anything that can be used as the subject of a sentence. – Jim Dec 22 '16 at 22:59
  • And by that, I mean, if you can make sentence with it as the subject then it Is a noun. (but make sure it’s not just a mention referring to the word itself) – Jim Dec 22 '16 at 23:27

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Maybe it would be better to start with a simple word, like good.

Good is an adjective. If we describe something as good, it has features of some kind that make it desirable. But what are those features? Well, it depends what the thing is. Good food is tasty, nutritious, etc. A good person does good things.

A feature is a noun: if we want a noun to describe a good feature, we put -ness on the end of an adjective, and we get goodness.

Penurious is an adjective: if a person has no money, we can say that he or she person is penurious. If we want to talk about the state of having no money, we need a noun: put -ness on the end, and penuriousness is that noun.

Adding -ness isn't always the right thing to do though: the word penury is a noun, and is changed to an adjective by adding the -ous ending to make penurious. So we don't need to adding -ness in this case- we can simply cut some letters off to get back to a noun (penury).

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Slippery, for example, is an adjective. It can be used to describe something, such as a surface, on which it is easy to lose your footing, or any thing whose surface has very little friction.

The ball bearing was coated in oil and it was very slippery.

Ice can be very slippery.

We can create a noun that stands for the idea or concept or quality of being slippery by tacking the -ness ending onto the adjective: Slipperyness (usually spelled slipperiness, but that's just an accident of orthography).

This -ness ending can be applied to most adjectives ending in -y- and to many others not ending in -y.

Happy....happiness.

Spicy... spicyness

Tricky....trickiness

Fatty...fattiness

Quaint...quaintness.

Quiet...quietness

Quick....quickness.

Dull....dullness.

Some adjectives are formed from a noun. Penurious is one of them. It comes from the noun penury. It has an adjectival ending, -ous. To turn these adjectives back into nouns, we don't add an ending, rather we remove the ending that turned the noun into an adjective.

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You might think of a noun as a physical object, like a car or a book or Brad Pitt. But a noun can also represent a discrete concept (like penury) or a set (or school) of related ideas (like epistemology). Anything that can be called a thing can be a noun, even if you can't point to it.

Many adjectives either derive from the noun forms, or can be converted into nouns. The list is far too long to write out here, but the point is that if we describe something as "enjoyable", that thing should be an object that has or induces a feeling of "enjoyment". The noun will relate to the adjective (and to the verb if one exists, like "enjoy").

In more linguistic terms, nouns can act as the subject or object of a verb in a sentence. I can't say:

Penurious is not fun.

but I can say:

Penury (penuriousness) is not fun.

Nouns can also have properties which can be described by adjectives ("a disagreeable penury", "the beautiful Angelina Jolie") or various grammatical phrases (Angelina Jolie, who is soon to be single).

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Although it is perhaps more satisfying to try to define a noun by comprehensively listing what it refers to (person / animal / place / object ...), one soon realises that this is nigh on impossible. Not-exactly-objects-or-places like space, hole, gap, concepts like silence, absence, ownership, dissonance, beliefs, ideologies and fields like Buddhism, nihilism, politics, industry, biology, philately ... are seen to be sufficiently similar to prototypical nouns to warrant including in the class.

Eventually, syntactic (eg can they be used as subjects of sentences) and distributional (eg can a suitable adjective be put before them) considerations are given more weight by serious analysts.

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