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  1. Question: Why aren't songs, movies or ebooks given for free (+ads) like TV?

  1. Question: What are some economic concepts or theories involved in file sharing/piracy besides opportunity cost and free rider problem?

Notes:

  1. This can also extend to games, apps, etc.

  2. To clarify, I don't mean to ask why songs, movies and ebooks are not given ONLY for free. They should continue to be given for payment since there will still be demand. If people want to buy CDs, DVDs or ebooks, attend concerts or go to cinema before songs, movies and ebooks would be given free, they would likely not want to do less if ever songs, movies and ebooks would be given free, I think because it seems that if people like the cinema or concert experience, don't have Internet access or like smelling books, they will continue to purchase as much.

  3. My question is not 'Why do people go to netflix instead of torrent?', a question focused on the consumers given the law and the companies' decisions. My question is instead 'Why aren't songs, movies or ebooks given for free?', a question focused on the law and the companies' decisions given, well:

    Pirate Coelho's 'Sharing is part of the human condition. A person who does not share is not only selfish, but bitter and alone.'

  4. Btw I just discovered artificial scarcity.

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    Why does a restaurant/movie theater/football stadium charge money instead of putting in ads? – Giskard Jul 01 '15 at 09:09
  • @denesp I assume you mean 'just putting' instead of just 'putting'. See Note 3. – BCLC Jul 01 '15 at 09:14
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    Either I don't understand what you mean in Note 3 (this seems likely) or I don't understand why your Note does not answer your question. – Giskard Jul 01 '15 at 09:17
  • @denesp Wait, sorry. Note 3 actually is not sufficient to answer. Let's take movie theatres for instance. IMHO, the MPAA can earn more if they charge for the cinematic experience and release the movie online as opposed to just releasing the movie online. People like going watching in the big screen. Next, restaurants. They can earn more if they charge for food instead of giving it away for free with ads. Football stadiums are similar to movie theatres, I think: Cinematic experience = watching live; watching HQ movie online for free (+ads) = streaming live (+ads). – BCLC Jul 01 '15 at 09:21
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    "They can earn more if they charge for food instead of giving it away for free with ads." Yes, but why does this argument not hold everywhere? – Giskard Jul 01 '15 at 09:22
  • @denesp Guess it's different for intellectual property? At what are you getting? Piracy cannot be stopped. Even if those countries blocked TPB, many people are still gonna do it. They'll use proxies or any of that other stuff, and they would rather google relentlessly on how to do it than pay for songs, books or music. It seems to me that the RIAA ought to embrace TPB to get ad revenue from all that traffic. Every cent TPB makes is a cent that they could instead make. So, it seems to me. – BCLC Jul 01 '15 at 09:29
  • Okay, I believe I understand your question now. If I understand correctly you are saying that in your opinion in the case of digital content more profits could be made with advertisments than with sales. Then you ask whether this is true and if there is an economic theory or some research explaining it? If this is correct I think you should consider editing your question, removing some of the media quotes and speculative parts. – Giskard Jul 01 '15 at 09:32
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    Music is given for free with ads on the a radio (or, more recently, services like Spotify). Movies and television shows are broadcast for free with ads on television and on demand streaming services. – Ubiquitous Jul 01 '15 at 11:31
  • @denesp Not 'than with' but 'in addition to' – BCLC Jul 12 '15 at 20:35
  • @Ubiquitous Also YouTube. – BCLC Jul 12 '15 at 20:37
  • @denesp Why remove speculative? In Math SE, if there is no speculation, I will likely be asked what I have tried or thought – BCLC Jul 13 '15 at 09:41
  • @KennyLJ ok then is it irrational for them to keep going after people like joel tenenbaum and jammie thomas? – BCLC Aug 09 '20 at 04:30
  • @KennyLJ Seriously? the nature of this question is specifically contending that it's different in the case of this kind of intellectual property because they could give it for free + ads instead. additionally, arguably, laws should not prevent me from borrowing/lending and so now with the internet, this should extend to torrents. My question is intended to be similar to betamax case, which i interpret to mean that it was irrational if the companies went after home tapers. Well I mean what did joel tenenbaum and jammie thomas achieve if it was so rational? – BCLC Aug 09 '20 at 04:49
  • @KennyLJ would you like to post as answer? – BCLC Aug 09 '20 at 04:50
  • @KennyLJ I mean there's not exactly an alternative for Walmart, but there could be for music, film, software, books, etc – BCLC Aug 11 '20 at 02:48
  • @Giskard Do you agree with Alecos Papadopoulos? – BCLC Aug 17 '20 at 04:15
  • @BCLC I dislike these "cold calls". – Giskard Aug 17 '20 at 05:12
  • @Giskard 'Cold calling is the solicitation of business from potential customers who have had no prior contact with the salesperson conducting the call.' --> how have we had no prior contact? btw i set a bounty – BCLC Aug 18 '20 at 06:16
  • @KennyLJ Do you agree with Alecos Papadopoulos? btw i set a bounty – BCLC Aug 18 '20 at 06:16
  • @Ubiquitous Do you agree with Alecos Papadopoulos? btw i set a bounty – BCLC Aug 18 '20 at 06:16
  • Downvoted because the answer is really blatantly obvious: they want some money? – user253751 Aug 18 '20 at 17:50
  • @user253751 So why aren't there more cases like joel tenenbaum and jammie thomas-rasset? – BCLC Aug 19 '20 at 04:12
  • @user253751 Do you disagree with Jason Nichols? With Alecos Papadopoulos? – BCLC Aug 19 '20 at 04:13
  • @user253751 Please provide an economic model that explains that they indeed earn more money in this case as opposed to the alternative case. Even if the answer is obvious, the proof may not be obvious....like idk Bolzano-Weierstrass maybe. – BCLC Aug 19 '20 at 04:16
  • @user253751 I didn't say free. I said free + ads and option to pay for ad-free. TV is free. It's paid by commercials. – BCLC Aug 19 '20 at 09:12
  • @user253751 What do you say to Will Appleby's comment? 'Seems like we're discussing scenarios that already exist in reality: for music, Spotify provides a 'free' version supported by adverts. These are not controlled by the artist but, in this case, the distributor. The consumer chooses whether to listen to ad-free music by paying for Spotify, or suffer the ads in return for free music. Presumably, Spotify have done the maths on their ad revenue covering the licensing cost to make this viable, since they must still pay for the music in cases where the consumer uses the free version.' – BCLC Aug 19 '20 at 09:13
  • @BCLC Well, listening to ads is a form of payment. If you count Spotify with ads as free, then the answer to your question is "they do". – user253751 Aug 19 '20 at 09:24
  • @user253751 Wait did you just read the title which doesn't have the word 'ads' but not the body which does have the words 'ads' ? ok i'll edit title but if that's really the case, well.... come on...really? – BCLC Aug 19 '20 at 10:59
  • Well then your answer is "they are" – user253751 Aug 19 '20 at 11:42
  • @user253751 so you mean a law has changed since joel tenenbaum or jammie thomas-rasset? what about ebooks or movies? – BCLC Aug 20 '20 at 04:50
  • @BCLC Turn on your TV, there's your free content with ads. – user253751 Aug 20 '20 at 09:21
  • @user253751 again, so you mean a law has changed since joel tenenbaum or jammie thomas-rasset? what about ebooks or movies? – BCLC Aug 26 '20 at 11:52
  • @user253751 added 400 bounty – BCLC Sep 16 '20 at 13:34
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    I produce e-books. Technically, there’s no good way to bundle ads with e-books. People can read the book years in the future, and disconnected from the internet (after the initial download onto an e-reader). How is the ad placed, and what advertiser would pay for it? Newspapers/magazines have ads, but those publications are normally read soon after publication. It’s only with the rise of ebook subscriptions (monthly borrowing model) that ad support might work. – Brian Romanchuk Sep 17 '20 at 16:48
  • @BrianRomanchuk Do you perhaps mean PRACTICALLY there's no good way but TECHNICALLY there's a way? not sure i understood 'technically' there. thanks for commenting – BCLC Sep 18 '20 at 13:05
  • @Ubiquitous spotify is free? i tried it out last week. it's subscription like netflix right? or not? – BCLC Sep 18 '20 at 13:07
  • @user253751 spotify is free? i tried it out last week. it's subscription like netflix right? or not? – BCLC Sep 18 '20 at 13:07
  • @BrianRomanchuk Ah, but what do you think of music or movies or series? I think it's pretty much less difficult for spotify and netflix to just become free but with ads or at least have free versions with ads kinda like youtube as compared to ebooks – BCLC Sep 18 '20 at 13:08
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  • since movies/music are typically streamed, easier to work into advertising model. Books are one-time downloads, often a megabyte or so (depends on images). 2) If you look at books, they do contain ads - for other books, at the beginning/end. Other books are also not time-sensitive. There’s no market for other products. Advertisers want to advertise new products, not one that may have come out years earlier.
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  • @BrianRomanchuk Thanks for the info. – BCLC Sep 19 '20 at 22:44
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    @user253751 hi I am commenting because your comment about this being blatantly obvious was marked as unfriendly and unkind. While you should definitely leave feedback to people who downvote please try to be more constructive and mention how the post can be improved instead of stating its obvious without elaboration – 1muflon1 Apr 28 '21 at 13:55
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    this question is too broad, that goes against the SE rules, and some of the text like the edit is not even relevant to the question – csilvia May 01 '21 at 09:48
  • @csilvia if it's against the se rules, then how come 1muflon1♦ commented on this 2 days ago instead of removing it. i mean how has this post been around for like 6 years? LOL. this must be such a huge guinness book of stackex records: longest duration of post against rules before post was removed – BCLC May 01 '21 at 11:01
  • @BCLC the other user is right asking several questions in one is against the rules - see help center here. This is one rule that we do not enforce in draconian way so you may see sometimes such question on site but it is technically against rules of site and a valid reason to close Q. In addition, please be so kind and do not abuse flags. Flags are not supposed to be used for any comments you don't like but for those that actually violate CoC, rules of site or require moderator intervention for some other reason. – 1muflon1 May 01 '21 at 11:05
  • @1muflon1 1 - oh ok. weird. i actually read the comment wrong. my bad. 2 - i didn't abuse flags imho because i said IF so and so then i flag this comment. if the condition doesn't hold, then i do not flag. so far, s.e. doesn't have a way to do 'conditional flagging' so i just did unconditional flagging stating my conditions – BCLC May 01 '21 at 11:09
  • @BCLC I am really sorry but I can't see any reason why the comment would require flagging. If you are unclear on what the site rules are you could have checked help center, ask on meta, or politely ask that other user and wait for a response. This is not to say that you can only use flags when you are absolutely sure when something is wrong but I mean common, what in that comment above would require mod intervention? In addition, I did not meant to suggest you misused flag intentionally, just please dont be so 'jumpy', try to take feedback in good faith unless there is evidence to contrary – 1muflon1 May 01 '21 at 11:34
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    @1muflon1 roger that. – BCLC May 01 '21 at 11:35
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    After six years and several highly upvoted answers, why don't you accept one? In fact, the three highly upvoted answers show that the question has probably been answered or is too broad. I have no problem with closing the question as an alternative. – Giskard May 01 '21 at 20:22
  • I rolled back the last 2 edits note including unnecessary chatter unrelated to the question is against the rules of this site. See help center for details on our rules. Please, avoid doing this in the future. – 1muflon1 Nov 07 '21 at 21:01
  • @Giskard i can still accept an answer even if question is closed right? or can't? – BCLC Nov 07 '21 at 21:07
  • @Giskard eh just don't really wanna accept any because like...idk i still don't really get it. some answers i didn't read so thoroughly and some just aren't so complete. maybe the question cannot be fully answered. idk. but i did upvote the answers and stuff. also some of the answerers didn't respond to my follow ups in comments – BCLC Nov 07 '21 at 21:08
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    @BCLC as giskard pointed out your question is too broad and hence it should likely get closed (originally the question seemed fine, but then instead of asking new questions it seems you were just forever expanding this one to the point that its too broad to be fully answerable). However, I do not want to use my mod vote for this given the question is already old anyway. Nonetheless, it would be decent of you to pick the answer you think best answers your question and accept given that such broad question anyway cant be fully answered in SE format – 1muflon1 Nov 07 '21 at 21:14
  • @1muflon1 some of the answerers didn't respond to my follow ups in comments – BCLC Nov 07 '21 at 21:17
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    @BCLC so? As long as they answer question, in the main question I don't see any reason not to accept one of them. In any case you do you, but this sort of behavior goes against the spirit of SE even though not accepting answer of course does not violate any rules it is matter of politeness if you are given high quality answer and you got already several ones. in any case do as you will as long as you dont break our rules, but maybe you should consider taking the tour of our site to better understand our model: https://economics.stackexchange.com/tour – 1muflon1 Nov 07 '21 at 21:22
  • @1muflon1 'so? As long as they answer question' --> they didn't. that's why i'm asking follow-ups because i didn't get what they mean. they're of course not follow-ups for completely different questions. that wouldn't be fair. i should instead make a new post – BCLC Nov 07 '21 at 21:24
  • Note questions are not supposed to be used have answers or unrelated comments from some external articles or blogs. Consequently last edits were rolled back. Please read our help center and take the tour of our page economics.stackexchange.com/tour to understand the model of SE. Please familiarize yourself with our rules. If you want to answer the question use answer. You can attempt to answer your own question, do not just edit that into the question – 1muflon1 Nov 22 '21 at 17:53
  • @1muflon1 is it really that different from the other external articles or blogs i linked to? – BCLC Nov 24 '21 at 04:39