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I am not asking if Roman Catholics find a biblical basis for burning an heretic; that question has been asked here. This question has to do with infallible statements by a Pope regarding how the faithful must think about the burning of heretics.

In the Papal Encyclical Exsurge Domine (1520) given by Pope Leo X we find, among other things, the following:

With the advice and consent of these our venerable brothers, with mature deliberation on each and every one of the above theses, and by the authority of almighty God, the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and our own authority, we condemn, reprobate, and reject completely each of these theses or errors as either heretical, scandalous, false, offensive to pious ears or seductive of simple minds, and against Catholic truth. By listing them, we decree and declare that all the faithful of both sexes must regard them as condemned, reprobated, and rejected . . . We restrain all in the virtue of holy obedience and under the penalty of an automatic major excommunication….

One of the theses listed within the encyclical (which I understand to have been given ex cathedra and therefore to be infallible) which is under condemnation is the thesis that "the burning of heretics is against the Holy Spirit":

  1. That heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit.

Here is a link to a scholarly paper describing how Exsurge Domina meets all five of the criteria for papal infallibility. This paper also describes how the development of the doctrine of Papal Infallibility, dogmatically defined in 1868, was always intended to incorporate the "thousands and thousands" of infallible definitions already issued by the Roman see over the history of the Church:

In other words, (Bishop) Gasser was able to assert “in passing”--that is, as something which did not need arguing and would be taken for granted by his audience-- that there had already been “thousands and thousands” of infallible definitions issued by the Roman see! Even if he did not intend to be taken quite literally and meant only to make the point that “a great many” such definitions were “Ex-Cathedra,” it is obvious that he was not only referring to solemn definitions of revealed truth, such as Pius IX’s definition of the Immaculate Conception a few years previously. There have in fact been only a few such definitions. So Gasser obviously meant to include the many Papal definitions of secondary truths, including censures less than heresy, as genuine “Ex-Cathedra,” infallible definitions.

According to Pope Leo X it is infallibly declared that "We restrain in all the virtue of holy obedience and under the penalty of an automatic major excommunication that all the faithful of both sexes must regard as condemned, reprobated, and rejected the idea that the burning of an heretic is against the will of the Holy Spirit".

If the burning of heretics is not against the will of the Holy Spirit then God must either favor the action or be indifferent towards it. There is nothing within this encyclical indicating which of these two options is correct but it is clear that one cannot be both a faithful Catholic and believe that burning heretics is against the will of God.

Also in this encyclical, there is a command to gather and publicly burn any and all works containing or promulgating any of these theses:

Moreover, because the preceding errors and many others are contained in the books or writings of Martin Luther, we likewise condemn, reprobate, and reject completely the books and all the writings and sermons of the said Martin, whether in Latin or any other language, containing the said errors or any one of them; and we wish them to be regarded as utterly condemned, reprobated, and rejected. We forbid each and every one of the faithful of either sex, in virtue of holy obedience and under the above penalties to be incurred automatically, to read, assert, preach, praise, print, publish, or defend them. They will incur these penalties if they presume to uphold them in any way, personally or through another or others, directly or indirectly, tacitly or explicitly, publicly or occultly, either in their own homes or in other public or private places. Indeed immediately after the publication of this letter these works, wherever they may be, shall be sought out carefully by the ordinaries and others [ecclesiastics and regulars], and under each and every one of the above penalties shall be burned publicly and solemnly in the presence of the clerics and people.

So it appears that every Roman Catholic is specifically commanded not to believe "that heretics should be burned is against the will of the Spirit" and disobedience incurs automatic major excommunication.

Are Roman Catholics in general taught, and do they understand, that they are infallibly commanded, under penalty of automatic major excommunication, to believe that; 1) God favors (or is at least indifferent to) the burning of heretics and, 2) that Roman Catholic Bishops and regular clergy should be regularly collecting and publicly burning anything promulgating Martin Luther's ideas ... or has something occurred which has rendered this injunction fallible?

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    Encyclicals are authoritative, not to be criticized or rejected lightly by members of the Church, but they are not infallible. Only three doctrines developed in the past 200 years are considered infallible, and all were issued as bulls: the Immaculate Conception (that Mary was born without original sin), the Assumption (that Mary was taken up body and soul into heaven), and the definition of papal infallibility issued by the First Vatican Council. – Ken Graham Apr 14 '23 at 14:36
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    @KenGraham Pardon me ? The definition of papal infallibility is, itself, defined as 'infallible' ? But how can papal infallibility be stated before the infallible definition of infallibility is uttered ? ? ? – Nigel J Apr 14 '23 at 14:46
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    Sequence of events: Papal Encyclical on Immaclate Conception by Pope Pius IX on 8 December 1854. 1st Vatican Council on Papal Infalibility by Pope Pius IX on 29 June 1868. Papal Encyclical on Assumption of Mary by Pope Pius XII on 1 November 1950. – Lesley Apr 14 '23 at 16:27
  • "Are Roman Catholics in general taught, and do they understand, that they are infallibly commanded, under penalty of automatic major excommunication," No, and this phrasing conflates two ideas: necessity of belief (an element of Papal infallibility) and juridical power of the Church (papal supremacy). – eques Apr 17 '23 at 21:13
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    @eques You are not allowed to believe the following - "That heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit." and you are automatically excommunicated if you do - "We restrain all in the virtue of holy obedience and under the penalty of an automatic major excommunication". Why does this not cover those two ideas? – Mike Borden Apr 17 '23 at 21:59
  • @KenGraham Quanta cura is a textbook case of infallibility and so is Exsurge Domine. – Glorius Apr 18 '23 at 05:48
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    @MikeBorden because as I said it conflates two things: necessity of belief (Dogma) with juridical power (the ability of the Pope or others to assign punishments for violations of Church Law). A major excommunication is a penalty imposed by law not an effect of denying something to be believed. Major Excommunication as a category hasn't existed in law since at least 1983 so of course it's not binding on Catholics today. – eques Apr 18 '23 at 17:17
  • @Glorius if you think so, perhaps you could provide an answer to that effect for Exsurge Domine. – eques Apr 18 '23 at 17:19
  • @eques The mods have successfully discouraged me from writing answers with their edits. Also, who would I write it for? You can see my detailed answers on burning books and incompatibilites V2 vs. Florence have earned a total score of -1. Meanwhile a rant with next to no citations with blatant falsehoods stands accepted with 4 upvotes and my comment pointing out the falsehood was deleted. Pearls, pearls... – Glorius Apr 18 '23 at 21:02
  • @Glorius I can't comment on specifics, but the claim that Exsurge Domine as a whole is infallible is hard to make; it might contain infallible statements, which is a different but related claim. – eques Apr 18 '23 at 21:07
  • @eques Well, anything that doesn't pertain to faith or morals, if there is such a thing in the Bull, would not be infallible. Everything that does would be if I remember correctly. Depends on what it says, I forgot. But the issue at hand is proposition 33 which was certainly infallibly condemned. – Glorius Apr 18 '23 at 21:10
  • @Glorius no. That's incorrect. Only things which pertain to faith and morals may be infallible. That's not the same thing as saying all things which pertain to faith and morals are infallible. – eques Apr 18 '23 at 21:11
  • @eques I'm quite aware... I said it depends – Glorius Apr 18 '23 at 21:12
  • You also said " Everything that does would be if I remember correctly. " which is why I commented as I did – eques Apr 18 '23 at 21:13
  • @eques It doesn't matter that it is an automatic major excommunication which is tied to how the faithful must regard certain assertions? Doesn't automatic bypass the judicial system - where someone, in committing a certain act, incurs the penalty without any canonical process having to take place? – Mike Borden Apr 18 '23 at 22:49
  • @MikeBorden No, it doesn't matter that it's automatic. Automatic excommunications are still a matter of law and major excommunication automatic or not hasn't existed as a distinct category in law since before 1983. It's still conflating a doctrine which must be believed with a penalty of law. They can be related but are not necessarily so. The former may be a subject of infallibility but not the later – eques Apr 19 '23 at 14:25
  • @eques I don't understand the conflation; there are Marion dogmas that have penalties associated with them. If the Dogma is infallible and the pronounced anathema is not, what is the point of associating them? It's like saying "To be Catholic you must believe this or else ... possibly nothing." – Mike Borden Apr 20 '23 at 12:53
  • @eques Catholic Encyclopedia says "Major excommunication, which remains now the only kind in force,..." So the reason it's not a distinct category that it's the only kind there is. Therefore why aren't you still "restrained under the penalty of an automatic major excommunication" to utterly reject "that the burning of heretics is against the will of the Spirit."? – Mike Borden Apr 20 '23 at 12:55
  • @MikeBorden which Catholic Encyclopedia? If you mean the one on NewAdvent, that was published in 1907 and describes the state of canon law before the Code of Canon Law promulgated in 1917, which was replaced in 1983 by John Paul II. I will repeat once more that excommunication is a matter of law and the excommunication you cite is not in current law. – eques Apr 20 '23 at 13:04
  • @MikeBorden no, Marian dogmas don't have a canonical penalty; they have a moral penalty. Most sins are not canonical crimes. – eques Apr 20 '23 at 13:05
  • @eques Disregarding the confusing penalty altogether, do you hold as condemned, reprobated, and rejected "that the burning of heretics is against the will of the Spirit."? – Mike Borden Apr 20 '23 at 13:24
  • @eques Catholic Encyclopedia also says that latæ sententiæ is incurred as soon as the offence is committed and by reason of the offence itself (eo ipso) without intervention of any ecclesiastical judge. Is this an outdated entry also? – Mike Borden Apr 20 '23 at 13:30
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    "that the burning of heretics is against the will of the Spirit" is still a statement to be rejected -- that is, it implies that the Church/state is wrong to consider major willful heresy a capital offense. – eques Apr 20 '23 at 13:37
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    " latæ sententiæ is incurred as soon as the offence is committed" that's still correct under the 1983 code – eques Apr 20 '23 at 13:37
  • @eques So, the Church is right to burn an heretic (it is not against the will of the Spirit) and if a Catholic doesn't agree then latæ sententiæ happens automatically. – Mike Borden Apr 21 '23 at 12:31
  • For that last time: Stop conflating rejection of revealed truth with a punishment in law. To avoid mudding the waters, there is an automatic penalty attached to heresy, but not specifically to this proposition. – eques Apr 21 '23 at 14:41
  • @eques "We restrain all in the virtue of holy obedience and under the penalty of an automatic major excommunication". "We forbid each and every one of the faithful of either sex, in virtue of holy obedience and under the above penalties to be incurred automatically, to read, assert, preach, praise, print, publish, or defend them." You are restrained and forbidden under a penalty to believe certain things. I simply don't understand how the conflation is mine. – Mike Borden Apr 22 '23 at 12:01
  • @MikeBorden Is Leo X still Pope? Is 1520 after 1983? You are conflating law (which may change) with truth (which doesn't although our understanding may develop). The statement about burning heretics being against the Spirit relates to truth. The statement about binding under obedience relates to law. "You are restrained and forbidden" Kindly refrain from making claims like that. I am not restrained by the letter of Leo X. – eques Apr 22 '23 at 13:25
  • @eques So,what a Pope infallibly says is only in force while they hold office? Exsurge Domina says that if you agree with the statement "that heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit" you are out of the Church. What you are suggesting calls all discipline into question because all right discipline is inextricably bound to what is held as truth. To neuter the discipline is to neuter the truth to which it is tied. What is it exactly about Exsurge Domina that fails the infallibility criteria? Would you point out the conflation of the truth with the consequence of 2 Thess. 1:8? – Mike Borden Apr 22 '23 at 22:06
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    @MikeBorden You keep insisting that Leo's restraining under holy obedience, etc is valid. My point is that that is not because restraint of obedience is a matter of law and hence to a living Pope not a long dead Pope. That is distinct from the doctrinal matter under discussion (namely the validity of capital punishment against obstinate heretics). – eques Apr 24 '23 at 13:59
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    @MikeBorden In the same way, a Pope might say that abortion is a grave evil and bind under obedience that pastors and bishops should ensure that no one dares to promote abortion in their areas. The former is doctrinal, infallible (always taught), and binding indefinitely; the latter is juridical, mutable and only binding until revoked/law is altered. – eques Apr 24 '23 at 13:59
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    I don't know how you continue to fail to see the distinction between law and truth. I have pointed it out several times and you never actually ask in relation to that but continue to insist the statement as you interpret it must still be valid. – eques Apr 24 '23 at 14:00
  • @eques "By listing them, we decree and declare that all the faithful of both sexes must regard them as condemned, reprobated, and rejected" The fact that they are listed constitutes the must in the obedience of belief. Isn't that what it says? So how can the listing of them be doctrinal and the 'mus't be juridical and separate when the latter literally consists in the former? How can the 'must' be neutered without nullifying the list that created it? Or how can it be understood as, "You must or else...nothing"? Do you understand? – Mike Borden Apr 25 '23 at 12:45
  • @MikeBorden I'm not following. A statement of what is doctrinal might in fact use phrasing equivalent to "must". A statement of law might also use a similar phrasing of "must"; e.g. "You must believe in the Trinity to be Catholic" vs "You must refrain from abortion lest you be excommunicated" – eques Apr 25 '23 at 13:15
  • @eques The list is the decree of the 'must': "By listing them we decree and declare...the faithful...must" To remove the must you would have to remove the list and if the list is infallible ... – Mike Borden Apr 25 '23 at 13:30
  • @MikeBorden I'm not following your point. Yes it uses "must", so what? Must can imply a moral obligation, a legal obligation, etc. I must believe all the Catholic Church professes to be revealed by God. I must obey the laws of the Church. Those musts do not have the precisely the same sense. – eques Apr 25 '23 at 14:23
  • @eques They seem inextricably linked. If the faithful must believe or reject a certain thing then, if one does not believe or reject it, that one is not faithful, hence the automatic latae sententiae. It's no different than "you must believe in the Trinity to be a Catholic". The list of things to be rejected in Exsurge Domina is given by authority of God. A faithful Catholic "must" regard them as condemned, reprobated, and rejected just like they "must" believe in the Trinity and if they don't they are, by definition, not a faithful Catholic. It's not a legal penalty. – Mike Borden Apr 26 '23 at 13:26
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    @MikeBorden No. "automatic latae sententiae" is a thing of the law and hence as other questions on this site no doubt show, a mortal sin or more specifically rejection of known doctrine is not equivalent to an automatic excommunication as you seem to want to claim. Again, I'm not disputing the nature of the statement "'the burning of heretics is against the Spirit' is anathema" only your assertion that Leo X's automatic penalties under obedience hold. – eques Apr 26 '23 at 13:29
  • @eques Okay. Let's say there is a person who identifies as Catholic and who does not regard as condemned, reprobated, and rejected "that heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit.". What is the condition of such a person within the Church? – Mike Borden Apr 26 '23 at 13:36
  • @MikeBorden It depends on whether that person willfully holds to their view despite correction. If they are never corrected and hence cannot be said to obstinately hold to it, they are simply ignorant. If they willfully and obstinately hold to it, they are in a state of manifest sin as we discussed elsewhere. – eques Apr 26 '23 at 17:10
  • @eques If they are made aware that it is wrong to say that God is against the burning of heretics and they refuse to change then they, themselves, become heretics? – Mike Borden Apr 27 '23 at 12:16
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    @MikeBorden Yes, but that doesn't mean they are subject to burning – eques Apr 27 '23 at 12:25
  • @eques But if they were burned it wouldn't necessarily be against the will of the Spirit? – Mike Borden Apr 27 '23 at 13:35
  • @MikeBorden what is your point? – eques Apr 27 '23 at 18:53
  • @eques I am very glad that the Catholic Church no longer wields much power over governments. – Mike Borden Apr 29 '23 at 19:27
  • @MikeBorden your subjective emotion doesn't change that heresy is a particularly grave evil especially against the social order, which is why it was a capital offense – eques May 02 '23 at 14:13
  • @eques Subjective emotion? Right, because Jesus said "Love your enemies and burn them at the stake." and Paul teaches us to hold off waiting for God and to avenge ourselves upon our enemies. The Church needs to spend some time meditating on Romans 12:17-21 and put away it's murderous heart. Imagine Jesus telling the disciples to kill the people who would not receive them or their words in Matthew 10:5-15! Read Paul's response to his enemy in 2 Timothy 4:14-15 ... it does not involve capital punishment. "Death to the infidel" has no place in the body of Christ. – Mike Borden May 04 '23 at 12:40
  • @MikeBorden subjective emotion meaning your particular feeling of joy, which is irrelevant to truth or more specifically that one feels joy or sadness doesn't prove that something is or isn't correct -- passions are fallible as a consequent of the fall. – eques May 04 '23 at 13:17
  • @MikeBorden The rest of your comment is largely a non sequitur and a fairly typical one at that. It conflates love with an unyielding toleration of evils. Christ certainly didn't mean love your enemy to mean the state can enact no punishments against wrongdoers. And furthermore, your insinuation about "death to the infidel" shows a reactive emotion -- you are condemning something before you actually grasp the idea. It's not anyone who doesn't believe is subject to capital punishment -- it has never been such and that's not what Leo X means. – eques May 04 '23 at 13:19
  • @eques Joy is a fruit of the Spirit and there is such a thing as godly sorrow. We are told that love does not rejoice with wrongdoing but rejoices with truth. Feelings can be fallible but they can also be aligned with truth and made to obey Christ. James did not tell us to "count it all subjective emotion, my brothers...". – Mike Borden May 05 '23 at 12:35
  • @eques " Christ certainly didn't mean love your enemy to mean the state can enact no punishments against wrongdoers." Agreed. He also did not say that the Church should run the government. What I grasp is that, if the Catholic Church wielded authority over the state as she once did, she could once again, with a clear conscience, have the state murder anyone who disagrees with her. This, I believe, is so far from the gospel of Jesus Christ as to be another Gospel altogether. – Mike Borden May 05 '23 at 12:40
  • " have the state murder anyone who disagrees with her. " No and if you are going to engage without good faith and attempt to actually learn instead of criticize, I won't continue – eques May 05 '23 at 13:41
  • @MikeBorden " Joy is a fruit of the Spirit and there is such a thing as godly sorrow" I'm aware but the fruit is not the same as the passion and saying you are glad over something is not equivalent to having the joy which is the fruit of the spirit. – eques May 05 '23 at 13:42

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If we grant the claim that Exsurge Domine is infallible teaching, then there is no "still" about it. That just reframes the question, of course. There are some Catholics who (wrongly) believe that the death penalty is forbidden by the Church, and if you present them with this historical tidbit, they will not argue that an infallible doctrine has changed, rather that (they think) it was not infallible to begin with.

Historically the death penalty has been used in many Catholic nations including the Papal States, and it is endorsed by God in the Bible. The statement in Exsurge Domine says little more than that: that capital punishment for heresy is not forbidden by divine law.

The encyclical does not say that executing heretics is mandatory for Catholics, or even that it's a wise policy.

You have summarized the encyclical in a very odd way:

So it appears that every Roman Catholic is specifically commanded not to believe "that heretics should be burned is against the will of the Spirit" and disobedience incurs automatic major excommunication.

Catholics are rarely "commanded" to "not believe" something that came up in a debate between other people many centuries ago. It is unlikely that a Catholic today would know about the arguments raised in this debate, or have a firm opinion about which arguments are stronger. Even if a modern Catholic thinks that burning heretics is wrong, that might not be heresy, rather it might just be an opinion about the impracticality or ineffectiveness of such a policy. The only case for an "excommunication" would be a modern Catholic who was (1) specifically certain that burning heretics is against the will of the Spirit, and (2) told somebody about his oddly strong opinion about a long-since-irrelevant issue, and (3) didn't accept correction from the Church, assuming some representative of the Church had the time and interest to correct him.

EDIT: The OP says "This question has to do with infallible statements by a Pope regarding how the faithful must think about the burning of heretics." What I am saying is, the faithful aren't required to think about the burning of heretics at all. And if they do, there are lots of things they can think about it, except this one particular thing which is forbidden (again assuming Exsurge Domine is infallible).

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  • +1 Isn't this "We forbid each and every one of the faithful of either sex, in virtue of holy obedience and under the above penalties to be incurred automatically, to read, assert, preach, praise, print, publish, or defend them. " part of what was infallibly stated? If so, isn't every Catholic currently forbidden (under penalty) from believing that burning heretics is against the will of the Spirit? – Mike Borden May 23 '23 at 11:37
  • Yes. But, you don't "command" a non-belief. A Catholic's catechism isn't a list of things we don't believe (unless it addresses certain common errors). For most Catholics, this particular claim isn't ever going to be an issue. – workerjoe May 23 '23 at 13:49
  • So, because the language of Exsurge Domina doesn't forbid believing or thinking certain things, believing or thinking them is okay as long as those things are not read, asserted, preached, praised, printed, published, or defended? A Catholic may, in good faith, believe that God is against burning heretics but they are forbidden to say so? – Mike Borden May 24 '23 at 11:08
  • I would distinguish between someone who "thinks" something versus "believes" something. To "believe" is to put a thought into some kind of action. According to Exsurge Domine, this thought that the Holy Spirit is against the death penalty for heresy is incorrect. And we should all strive to learn more about the faith and correct our errors. However, if a person has this incorrect thought but he never brings it up in conversation or turns it into action (e.g., voting), how is he ever going to know that he's in error? Mortal sin requires full knowledge and deliberate consent. – workerjoe May 24 '23 at 14:11
  • The erroneous view condemned is that capital punishment is inadmissible for heresy; that doesn't follow that capital punishment must be administered in any case for heresy only that it isn't "against the Spirit." Again, the bit about "holy obedience" etc that you latch on to isn't the infallible statement per se. – eques May 24 '23 at 18:18
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Well, yes. Whether or not Exsurge Domini is infallible, and to what degree (All of it? Part of it? Which parts?) is probably up for debate, but we can assume for the sake of simplicity that this particular condemnation is infallible. A short note, someone else mentioned that encyclicals are authoritative but not infallible. That's not precisely correct. Encyclicals can teach authoritatively and infallibly if they give a definitive doctrine, and there is at least some reason to believe that this is definitive.

So are Catholics compelled to beleive that the burning of a heretic is not against the will of the Holy Spirit (ie the Divine Will)? Sure, I don't see any problem with this. All this teaching is saying is that preaching heresy is a capital crime, and thus to put a heretic to death does not violate the Divine Law.

What is this teaching not saying? This teaching is not saying that

  • Catholics must put heretics to death even if it is illegal in their nation
  • It is prudent to put heretics to death in all scenarios
  • Even that it is generally prudent to put heretics to death in all cultures at all times
  • Catholics must support policies that move towards legalizing the death penalty for heretics

All this teaches is that heresy is a crime which can warrant the death penalty in at least some scenarios, and thus that a nation which puts heretics to death is not doing something intrinsically evil nor even generally immoral. You can still be of the opinion that it is imprudent, unnecessary, or excessive in certain circumstances.

Seems to me to accord with the historical and current teaching of the Church on the death penalty.

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Is the statement "That heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit." still a statement which is against Catholic truth?

I really do not see how this would be an infallible statement.

Are Roman Catholics in general taught, and do they understand, that they are infallibly commanded, under penalty of automatic major excommunication, to believe that; 1) God favors (or is at least indifferent to) the burning of heretics and, 2) that Roman Catholic Bishops and regular clergy should be regularly collecting and publicly burning anything promulgating Martin Luther's ideas ... or has something occurred which has rendered this injunction fallible?

Not all encyclicals are infallible and not everything in encyclicals infallible.

I am not condoning what was written. But such talk is not binding on Catholics.

Even St. Thomas Aquinas states that those sentenced to be executed are not be carried out by ordinary members of society, but must be carried out by those of proper authority, otherwise anarchy would surely take place. Burning of heretics is not for the ordinary faithful to carry out.

Such things happened historically on both sides. The Church is not always correct in the way She handled historical events.

Papal infallibility has very strict rules as to when may be employed.

Is Every Encyclical Infallible?

The short answer is no. Vatican I’s decree “Eternal Pastor” taught: “The Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra, that is, when discharging the office of pastor and teacher of all Christians, and defines with his supreme apostolic authority a doctrine concerning faith or morals that is to be held by the universal Church, through the divine assistance promised him in St. Peter, exercises that infallibility which the divine Redeemer wishes to endow his Church for defining doctrine concerning faith or morals.”

Infallibility is a guarantee that neither the pope teaching individually as the Church’s supreme pastor nor the pope teaching in communion with the whole college of bishops can mislead the faithful on an issue essential to salvation. Encylicals remain very important teaching documents. No pope since 1870 has designated an encyclical as an exercise of papal infallibility, which requires three conditions: 1) the subject is a matter of faith or morals, 2) the pope must be teaching as supreme pastor, and 3) the pope must indicate that the teaching is infallible.

Since 1870, the only such teaching is the 1950 definition by Pope Pius XII of Mary’s assumption. Some people have argued that every canonization is an infallible statement, but that opinion is not official Church teaching.

I do not see anything in the above post meeting the three requirements that make your assurances bindings on Catholics.

The following may be of interest to some:

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  • "No pope since 1870 has designated an encyclical as an exercise of papal infallibility" The encyclical in question is from 1520 so how does the last 200 years answer the question? – Mike Borden Apr 15 '23 at 12:08
  • It seems like the strongest language is used up to and including by the authority of Almighty God "With the advice and consent of these our venerable brothers, with mature deliberation on each and every one of the above theses, and by the authority of almighty God, the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and our own authority, we condemn, reprobate, and reject completely". – Mike Borden Apr 15 '23 at 12:12
  • And by all that authority "We restrain all in the virtue of holy obedience and under the penalty of an automatic major excommunication". If you do not think about burning heretics in accordance with this encyclical you are automatically excommunicated. Are you saying Pope Leo X was wrong/fallible in using this very strong language? – Mike Borden Apr 15 '23 at 12:16
  • I have edited in this link which describes, among other things, how Exsurge Domina meets all 5 criteria of infalliblilty: https://www.askacatholic.com/_webpostings/answers/attachments/PapalInfallibilityFromAGreekOrthodoxView.pdf – Mike Borden Apr 15 '23 at 12:46
  • @MikeBorden Does it have an imprimatur and is it a recognized Catholic site? I am speaking of something more than simply Catholic in name. – Ken Graham Apr 15 '23 at 13:20
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    @MikeBorden if the last 200 years doesn't answer the question, then your linked document purporting to show the encyclical is infallible also doesn't answer the question since it is based upon the same 1870 declaration that Ken refers to – eques Apr 17 '23 at 21:11
  • @eques Isn't "No pope since 1870 has designated an encyclical as an exercise of papal infallibility" applicable only to encyclicals after 1870 or did a Pope, in 1870, designate a past encyclical as infallible? – Mike Borden Apr 17 '23 at 22:17
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    The more important point is that the doctrine outlined in 1870 is applicable to statements made earlier than 1870. – eques Apr 18 '23 at 17:15
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There are three issues to consider.

1. Whether the statement is indeed infallible, as it appears to be from its introduction:

"With the advice and consent of these our venerable brothers, with mature deliberation on each and every one of the above theses, and by the authority of almighty God, the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and our own authority,"

From a table in John P. Joy's dissertation for STL "Cathedra Veritatis: On the Extension of Papal Infallibility" [1], p. 89, we see that the condemnations of Exsurge Domine are included in 2 out of 3 lists of infallible papal definitions (namely in those made by Louis Billot and by Edmond Dublanchy, but not in that made by Klaus Schatz).

The disagreement on whether the condemnations are infallible lies precisely on the next issue.

2. The nature of the condemnation. Quoting Exsurge Domine, it condemns...

each of these theses or errors as either heretical, scandalous, false, offensive to pious ears or seductive of simple minds, and against Catholic truth.

In latin:

praefatos omnes et singulos articulos seu errores, tanquam (ut praemittitur) respective haereticos, aut scandalosos, aut falsos, aut piarum aurium offensivos, vel simplicium mentium seductivos, et veritate Catholicae obviantes,

As explained and exemplified in [2] & [3], "Aut tends to join alternatives that are mutually exclusive, and when correlated (aut...aut) the one will positively exclude the other." Therefore the Pope defines that

  • some of the condemned propositions are simply false (but not heretical),

  • some others are outright heretical (and therefore also false), and

  • yet some others are just "offensive to pious ears or seductive of simple minds".

Since the Pope did not state the censure that applies to each proposition, from Exsurge Domine alone any of the condemned propositions may be only "offensive to pious ears or seductive of simple minds". And the point is that this censure is time-dependent! E.g., denying the historical factuality of a Flood that wiped out all terrestrial animals, including humans, except those in an ark was "offensive to pious ears" in 1520 but is not so today (at least not to many of today's "pious ears", although there may still be many "simple minds" that cannot disconnect the historicity of the Flood from that of Jesus' Resurrection).

The problem here, as noted in [1] p. 93, is that the final censure (veritate catholicae obviantes) is introduced with et (and) instead of aut, and therefore it applies to all propositions. Therefore, if "veritate catholicae obviantes" is understood as "erroneous", then the Pope is condemning all propositions as erroneous and therefore the condemnation is infallible and time-independent. But if "veritate catholicae obviantes" = "erroneous" then the whole construct does not make sense, because how can a proposition be neither heretical nor even simply false and at the same time be erroneous?

The key here is the meaning of the verb obviō, of which obviantes is the plural present participle in the nominative case: resisting, withstanding, preventing, hindering [4]. Now, I propose that a particular proposition may resist, withstand, prevent or hinder the Catholic truth in any of two ways:

  • either intrinsically, if the proposition is erroneous (this includes the false and heretical censures),

  • or circumstantially, if the proposition, even when not false in itself, in the concrete epistemic context of a particular time either made it difficult to hold a Catholic truth or made it easy to hold an error (this includes the "offensive to pious ears or seductive of simple minds" censure).

Thus, as far as we can know from Exsurge Domine alone it may be the case that the proposition "That heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit" "resisted, withstood, prevented or hindered the Catholic truth" in 1520 because in the concrete epistemic context of that time it made it easy to hold an error, e.g. indiferentism, just as heliocentrism 100 years later "resisted, withstood, prevented or hindered the Catholic truth" because in the concrete epistemic context of that time it made it difficult to hold the truth of biblical inerrancy even in the scope in which God wants it to be held.

3. The scope of the condemned proposition

Focusing now on the particular proposition:

  1. That heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit.

XXXIII. Haereticos comburi est contra voluntatem Spiritûs.

if we interpret it with Exsurge Domine as its sole context, i.e. taking Exsurge Domine in isolation, it may be understood in any of 3 senses:

  • The universal sense: That all heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit.

  • The majoritarian sense: That most heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit.

  • The minimal sense: That any heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit.

Now, is this context-free exegesis legitimate? In principle one could say that, if the Pope wanted to enforce a particular text X as context for the interpretation of the proposition, he should have placed a reference to X next to the proposition. And that would have been correct if X had been a text from a particular Church Father, or saint, or bishop, etc. But in this case the text X in question is from a previous Ecumenical Council, that is from previous Church magisterium, and all previous Church magisterium is implicitely assumed as context for interpreting a piece of Church magisterium (the "hermeneutic of continuity" of Benedict XVI).

The text X in question is in canon 3 of the Lateran IV Ecumenical Council [5] [6] [7]:

Secular authorities, whatever office they may hold, shall be admonished and induced and if necessary compelled by ecclesiastical censure, that as they wish to be esteemed and numbered among the faithful, so for the defense of the faith they ought publicly to take an oath that they will strive in good faith and to the best of their ability to exterminate in the territories subject to their jurisdiction all heretics pointed out by the Church;

Moneantur autem et inducantur et si necesse fuerit per censuram ecclesiasticam compellantur saeculares potestates quibuscumque fungantur officiis ut sicut reputari cupiunt et haberi fideles ita pro defensione fidei praestent publice iuramentum quod de terris suae iurisdictioni subiectis universos haereticos ab ecclesia denotatos bona fide pro viribus exterminare studebunt

Therefore, the only legitimate interpretation of the scope of the condemned proposition is in the universal sense: "universos haereticos", "all heretics". (But see [8].)

Conclusion:

A Catholic can hold that the censure that applies to proposition 33 is "offensive to pious ears or seductive of simple minds", which is time-dependent. The reason for that censure is clear: canon 3 of the 1215 Lateran IV Ecumenical Council had ordered secular authorities to exterminate all heretics in the territories subject to their jurisdiction. After that order was abrogated by the declaration Dignitatis Humanae of the 1965 Vatican II Ecumenical Council, proposition 33 is no longer "offensive to pious ears or seductive of simple minds".

Alternatively, a Catholic can hold that the censure that applies to proposition 33 is "false", which is not time-dependent, and therefore that the contradictory proposition, i.e. "That (all) heretics be burned is not against the will of the Spirit", must be held firmly by all Catholics at all times. (Of course, that opinion would be binding only for him.) Whether and how that position could be harmonized with Dignitatis Humanae is another story, outside the scope of this answer.

References

[1] https://www.academia.edu/35624835/

[2] https://latin.stackexchange.com/questions/40/whats-the-difference-between-vel-aut-ve-et-cetera

[3] https://latindiscussion.org/threads/distinctions-between-aut-vel-and-sive-seu.25901/

[4] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/obvians#Latin

[5] Lateran IV, English & Latin: http://ldysinger.stjohnsem.edu/@magist/1215_Lateran4_ec12/02_lat4_c01-22.htm

[6] Lateran IV, Latin only: http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/1215-1215,_Concilium_Lateranense_IIII,_Documenta,_LT.pdf

[7] Lateran IV, English only: https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/basis/lateran4.asp

[8] Since a few Catholic sites have translated "de terris suae iurisdictioni subiectis [...] exterminare" as "to expel from the lands subject to their jurisdiction", I have placed a question in latin.stackexchange.com on the meaning of exterminare in the Lateran IV canon, specifically whether it is kill or expel: https://latin.stackexchange.com/questions/21008/meaning-of-exterminare-in-xiii-century-ecclesiastical-latin

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  • Thank you for this answer. Two questions for clarification please. 1) Isn't there a 4th sense ... a general sense? Since neither Omnes, Maximos, nor Aliquos are actually present couldn't it be understood as the burning of heretics generally, in principle? 2) If the 3rd sense is accurate, are you saying that Catholics are only required to identify one heretic who was burned which was not against the will of the Spirit and they are free to believe God did not favor all the rest? – Mike Borden Jun 04 '23 at 20:22
  • To me, it is clear that the general sense "as the burning of heretics generally, in principle" amounts to, at the very least, the majority sense. "In principle burn them all, but if it happens to be the village idiot, you may spare him." – Johannes Jun 04 '23 at 20:41
  • Regarding 2), there is no need to identify the concrete heretic whose beliefs, attitude or both were so detrimental to the faithful at that time and place that burning him or her was not against the will of God. Just accepting that surely sometime, someplace, there was one such heretic is enough. – Johannes Jun 04 '23 at 20:52
  • @MikeBorden the general sense you propose would be equivalent to the "aliquos" sense Johannes describes. That is, the negation of No heretics may be burnt (the implied result of "the burning of heretics is against the Spirit") is not all heretics must be burnt but that at least some heretics may be burnt. – eques Jun 04 '23 at 22:24
  • So which is it? OP says majority sense and Eques says minimal sense. "That heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit" is what Catholics are not allowed to say or assent to. The way you make this prohibition comfortable "That at least one heretic somewhere, at some time was burned and it was not against the will of the Spirit." necessitates that the majority was against the will of the Spirit, which you are not allowed to say. – Mike Borden Jun 05 '23 at 11:06
  • @MikeBorden I changed the answer after realizing that understanding the scope of the condemned proposition in any sense other than the universal was not legitimate, because previous Church magisterium must be assumed as context for interpreting new Church magisterium, and the context which applies to proposition 33 is canon 3 of the Lateran IV Ecumenical Council (1215) which commanded that all secular authorities should take an oath "to exterminate in the territories subject to their jurisdiction ALL heretics pointed out by the Church" (universos haereticos). – Johannes Jun 05 '23 at 16:31
  • @MikeBorden I add that some Catholic sites have cleverly translated "de terris suae iurisdictioni subiectis universos haereticos ab ecclesia denotatos bona fide pro viribus exterminare" as "EXPEL from the lands subject to their jurisdiction all heretics designated by the church in good faith and to the best of their abilities". That the translation is bogus is evident from the case of Jan Hus being burned in 1415 in the presence of the assembly of the ecumenical council of Constance. If Lateran IV had ordered to EXPEL heretics, not to kill them, why didn't a single bishop stand up and said so? – Johannes Jun 05 '23 at 16:52
  • "necessitates that the majority was against the will of the Spirit, which you are not allowed to say" No, it doesn't. The statement condemned is "the burning of heretics is against the spirit" or more literally "to burn heretics is against the spirit"; the contrary statement (one that effectively must be held) is that burning heretics is not against the spirit but that isn't the same as saying that all burning of heretics is inspired nor that all heretics must be burned. – eques Jun 05 '23 at 18:29
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    It's countering a claim that it is heretical (against the spirit) to use capital punishment for heresy. It's not making a claim about individual execution at all. Or in other words, any particular execution may have been done unjustly or on flawed process, etc and no affect the underlying principle. In a similar way, if SCOTUS ruled that capital punishment was not unconstitutional (as they did in the 1970s), it doesn't mean that all uses of capital punishment before or since were valid or constitutional. – eques Jun 05 '23 at 18:30
  • " had ordered secular authorities to exterminate all heretics in the territories subject to their jurisdiction." And this applied to all heretics which the secular authorities had pointed out to them by the Church. If the Church required the extermination of every heretic it identified then the abrogated statement of proposition 33 (which was the statement of protest gainst what the Church was doing) must be understood as "to burn any heretic is against the will of the Spirit". After all, the protestors weren't saying, "Burning all of them is wrong...just burn some." – Mike Borden Jun 06 '23 at 12:17
  • @eques I agree that proposition 33 is abrogating the claim that it is heretical to burn heretics at all...any of them...even one, for that is the claim of the protest. – Mike Borden Jun 06 '23 at 12:20