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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed#Niceno-Constantinopolitan_Creed:

And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, who spake by the prophets.

What is the biblical basis for these particular claims in the creed?

  • Don't know why this got a downvote, it's a good question that someone learning about the topic should have explained.+1 from me – Adam Sep 25 '21 at 20:23
  • All of the elements, except for Lord, and who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, are explicitly found in scripture; the other two are argued from various biblical passages, instead of representing simple quotes; also, the latter was simply a descriptive statement of de facto Christian worship, both before and during Arianism, since some Arians argued that glory to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit is incorrect, and only the formula glory to the Father through the Son in the Holy Spirit should be used; both expressions were historically employed. –  Sep 26 '21 at 02:06
  • I would have thought you would want to refer specifically to the Athanasian Creed in a question which deals with relationships within Deity. – Nigel J Sep 26 '21 at 10:19
  • @NigelJ - I wanted to ask a question about a creed that was closer to the apostolic age. But regarding the Athanasian Creed, somebody already asked this question: What is the biblical basis for the Athanasian Creed's statement that believing in the Trinity is necessary for salvation? –  Sep 26 '21 at 13:11
  • Note: the creed isn't actually saying that the HG/HS is to be worshiped. It is saying that the HG/HS is worshiped through worship of the Father and/or Son. (Similarly, worshiping the Son is worshiping the Father.) – Matthew Oct 06 '21 at 17:10
  • @Matthew - good point on the verb be, but the word through is not found in the text either. The word used is with. –  Oct 06 '21 at 17:22
  • Correct, but I'm arguing that "with" is equivalent to "through/via the worship of", i.e. I was clarifying what is meant by "with". Change the word order: the HG/HS is worshiped (and glorified) with [worship and glorification of] the F&S. IOW, the Creed is saying that when the F/S is worshiped and glorified, so also is the HG/HS. So, if one wishes to worship the HG/HS, one can do so "through" / by means of worshiping the Father. (Con't...) – Matthew Oct 06 '21 at 17:38
  • (...Con't) Which would be a silly desire, because we understand that worshiping one Person is worshiping the Trinity as a whole. One would desire to worship God as a whole, or a specific aspect, in which case, one would worship that Person particularly (while understanding that the whole Trinity is thus worshiped). – Matthew Oct 06 '21 at 17:41
  • @Matthew - I don't see the through interpretation as mandatory. It could very well just mean an statement of a fact, that worship of the HS co-occurs with the worship of the F/S, or that the three were commonly worshiped together. –  Oct 06 '21 at 17:51
  • In fact, that's exactly what I'm arguing. I think you just read in a "must" that I didn't intend. "The HG/HS ___ worshiped and glorified in the worship/glorification of the Father and Son". The blank is "is" (in your words, statement of fact), not "must be" (a mandate). – Matthew Oct 06 '21 at 18:12
  • @Matthew - the text doesn't say "in the worship/glorification of the Father and Son", the text says "who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified". In other words, the three are worshiped. How does that happen? We don't know, the text doesn't say, but the through reading you suggest is not explicitly found in the text. However, if you are 100% convinced of the through interpretation, I invite you to post an answer, justifying your view with references to contemporary early Church sources and biblical support as well (remember this is a biblical basis question). –  Oct 06 '21 at 18:46

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