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I have been seeking after our Lord for many years now, I pray that the Holy Spirit amplify my faith and discerning of truth. Having researched for many years I find myself wondering how has the church fallen so far from truth when truth is found in the teaching of Yeshua? Yeshua says that the law is forever so no idols or graven images. Yet the amount of paintings of Jesus even the works of Leonardo, the masses of Jesus on the cross statues and paintings, the cross itself, the rosiery. These images, symbols and statues are idolized and given holy power. Also is the position of the "Vicar of Christ" not idolitry?....how is this practice reconciled in the church?

curiousdannii
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Jason Henley
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  • what is the church-christianity? Keeping the sabbath day holy is the 4th commandment (of the 10)...which denominations do you believe reject the sabbath and in what way? The second commandment (of the 10) is not making idols/graven images and worshipping them – depperm Dec 30 '19 at 17:53
  • All denominations "reject" the Sabbath outside of a select few Seven day Adventist and maybe 1 or 2 others. I'm not really following your questions to my question. – Jason Henley Dec 30 '19 at 17:57
  • I imagine different denominations may have different justifications for this. Are you looking for a single group's approach? Or am overview of the main approaches (a much harder answer to give)? – Matt Gutting Dec 30 '19 at 18:11
  • I suppose my question is directed to all my individual brothers, sisters in Christ. How do you reconcile this? – Jason Henley Dec 30 '19 at 18:18
  • what do you mean reject the sabbath? – depperm Dec 30 '19 at 18:21
  • Yes, breaking the 2nd and 4th commandments. – Jason Henley Dec 30 '19 at 18:49
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    Jason, this site is not designed to talk about the beliefs of individuals - it's not a discussion site. Here we talk mostly about how groups behave, or how they justify their beliefs, not about what individuals believe or how they interpret scripture. If you can direct this question to a group of Christians, or if you want to see an overview of the main approaches (assuming there are only a few) then we can do that. Otherwise I'm afraid we can't help. – Matt Gutting Dec 30 '19 at 19:05
  • Ok, I edited my original question not to speak to individuals. So I will direct my question to the Protestants – Jason Henley Dec 30 '19 at 19:14
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    Also you are asking two questions at once - one about the Sabbath and one about images. Can you please pick one? You can always ask another question about the other one. – DJClayworth Dec 30 '19 at 19:40
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    Your question about images is answered here from the Catholic point of view, and here from the non-Catholic point of view. – DJClayworth Dec 30 '19 at 19:42
  • My question is about breaking commandments, whether it is 1, 2 or all 10. I just further explained the 2 I am referring to, not asking separate questions about both. From my responses thus far I am not sure if I will get any answer for whatever question I pose. – Jason Henley Dec 30 '19 at 19:45
  • @JasonHenley There are different reasons why these 2 Laws are not followed. This site strongly prefers that different question are not merged together, so that people looking only for one can easily find it. – DJClayworth Dec 30 '19 at 19:49
  • @DJclayworth edited. – Jason Henley Dec 30 '19 at 20:01
  • ...and now answered. – DJClayworth Dec 30 '19 at 20:14

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For that vast majority of Christians that do not prohibit images, this is an easy question to answer. The original wording of the 10 commandments did not prohibit all images - it was intended to prohibit the creation of idols for worship, i,e, man-made things that were used as Gods, which was the common practice of Israel's neighbours. That it ws not intended to prohibit the making of all likenesses of living beings can be seen from God's instructions for the creation of the Ark of the Covenant, which includes such likenesses.

It is fortunate for us that the creation of images is not completely forbidden, because that would also forbid all photography, movies, drawing etc. - for the commandments do not only apply in churches, they apply to all parts of life.

Images and likenesses in general are not then forbidden by the second commandment. What is forbidden is worshipping these images (or anything else). But Christians in such churches do not in fact worship such images. They are not intended to be worshipped. The images in churches are there to remind the worshipper of God, to focus their thoughts on God or a particular aspect of him, just as a cross at the front of a church does. Many images illustrate aspects of the gospel, and older ones may date from a time before the majority of the congregation could read, and so pictures were necessary to remind them of the gospel. Assuming that the intentions are followed, there is no problem. It should also be said that many Protestant churches do keep their churches free of human likenesses, so as not to offend those who prefer not to run the risk of the meaning being misunderstood.

Most of the above is written from a Protestant point of view, but apply in general terms to Catholics and Orthodox. I have links above that will give you more details from a Catholic and Orthodox point of view.

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The 10 Commandments is part of what the NT would call the Law. Please read the verses below to see the purpose of the law.

because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. Romans 3:20

nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified. Gal. 2:16

I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.” Gal. 2:21

While the law was God's commands it had very specific purposes. 1. It revealed the Holy Character of God. 2. It was for the benefit of mankind. 3. It identified sin. 4. Identifying sins exposes our need for a Savior. The law however did not have the ability to make a man righteous.

All of this to say, a person only becomes a Christian because they have been convicted of breaking God's law, realize that they are a sinner, and they trust the savior. On this side of eternity believers and churches will struggle with various sins. This however does not excuse the sinner from the sins. You will notice that about 2/3rds of the entire NT was written to believers (who we will see in heaven) calling out their struggle with various sins and encouraging them to lean on Jesus and turn from those sins.

I do agree that there are many sins like idolatry that believers in churches commit that are extremely frustrating to me however I also realize I'm still a sinner that struggles with various sins as well. We are a work in progress until Jesus changes our physical bodies into something new.

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  • I understand what you are saying but the quoted verses are not backed by Moses, Jesus nor any of the apostles. I can't reconcile those teachings with the teachings of Christ in the Gosepls. @lionsden But that does answer my question as to how the church does so without regard to the everlasting covenant. – Jason Henley Jan 07 '20 at 07:07