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Vaṇṇā-maccharia, stinginess in regard to one's honor, reputation, not't letting make others use it, envy to lose it, is one of the five kinds of maccharia, based on ingratitude, wrong view, and a quality not only absent in all Noble Once, but also a hindrance to attain whatever Jhana, path or fruit.

What are practices to train to learn not being stingy in regard of ones honour, beauty, sublimity?

What and where to give into?

What traditional practice is done by faithful followers in that regard?


A/the realated topic with given space for discussion and possible answer can be found here.

(note that this question is not given for trade, stacks, exchange or entertainment, but for ones work trough maccharia to escape the wheel here and liberation)

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Perception of impermanence

Bhikkhus, to the bhikkhu practicing the perception of impermanence and abiding much in it, gain, honour and fame keeps away, it shrinks and rolls away. The mind stretches out and gets established in equanimity or loathing

“And what, Ānanda, is the perception of impermanence? Here, having gone to the forest, to the foot of a tree, or to an empty hut, a bhikkhu reflects thus: ‘Form is impermanent, feeling is impermanent, perception is impermanent, volitional activities are impermanent, consciousness is impermanent.’ Thus he dwells contemplating impermanence in these five aggregates subject to clinging. This is called the perception of impermanence.

Perception of impermanence in all conditioned things;

“And what, Ānanda, is the perception of impermanence in all conditioned phenomena? Here, a bhikkhu is repelled, humiliated, and disgusted by all conditioned phenomena. This is called the perception of impermanence in all conditioned phenomena.

These too will be helpful;

Perception of all formations as undesirable;

Bhikkhus, to the bhikkhu practicing the perception of unpleasantness in impermanence and abiding much in it, a keen perception of fear, for laziness, distraction, negligence and non-reflection gets established, like to a slayer with raised sword.

Perception of non-delight in the all worlds;

Bhikkhus, to the bhikkhu practicing the perception of non-attachment to all the world and abiding much in it, the manifold beauty of the world, keeps away, it shrinks and rolls away. The mind stretches out and gets established in equanimity or loathing.

“And what, Ānanda, is the perception of non-delight in the entire world? Here, a bhikkhu refrains from any engagement and clinging, mental standpoints, adherences, and underlying tendencies in regard to the world, abandoning them without clinging to them. This is called the perception of non-delight in the entire world.

Perception of non-self;

Bhikkhus, to the bhikkhu practicing the perception of lacking a self in unpleasantness and abiding much in it, whatever distinctions arise as superior, inferior or equal in the sixfold conscious body and all external signs, are appeased and well released.

“And what, Ānanda, is the perception of non-self? Here, having gone to the forest, to the foot of a tree, or to an empty hut, a bhikkhu reflects thus: ‘The eye is non-self, forms are non-self; the ear is non-self, sounds are non-self; the nose is non-self, odors are non-self; the tongue is non-self, tastes are non-self; the body is non-self, tactile objects are non-self; the mind is non-self, mental phenomena are non-self.’ Thus he dwells contemplating non-self in these six internal and external sense bases. This is called the perception of non-self.

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At the surface, you can look at how we do unskilled bodily, verbal and metal volitional formations due to stinginess for reputation (vanna maccariya). For example, one utters false speech to maintain a status. One kills, steals, etc. (all 10 can be looked at this way).

But to understand this in the Noble sense, you need to first understand the arising phenomena of stinginess. As explained in the Vattupama Sutta (Simile of the Cloth) it can be understood that it is because of Disparaging (palaso); and underneath that is difference in volitional formations (sankhara). For example, the person who lies to maintain a reputation have given different values to such statuses and disparage one status over another and holding on to that idea now doing even immoral acts (dussilam) to maintain it. This way we roam in samsara.

In order to go further deep, you need to understand how the stream of consciousness flow. You may not understand that without the pre-requisite dhamma therefore I won't try to explain it here.

Stinginess for reputation is connected with misapprehending feeling as pleasure but it has to be understood with above flow of consciousness and how the five-fold stinginess attributing to each other to maintain the flow.

Person who has destroyed all cankers (i.e. an arahat) does not have stinginess.

If you are interested in learning more, take a look at discussions in English stream on this website: https://visuddhimagga.info/

ahtisarw
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  • Good to try to overcome stinginess here and risk some lose of vanna. two quick things, householder: 1. starting from streamenter, Noble ones are free of stinginess, so all not only the Arahat. 2. Householder did not provide much of practice toward it, eg. generositie, sila and it's special kinds in regard of vanna-maccharia. Most deals with break of precepts to gain vanna. Holding on vanna, maccharia, itself does not necessary requires break of precepts. –  Jun 30 '19 at 23:13
  • (1) At a gross level one might think the a stream enterer has removed maccariya but that is not the case. It gets more subtle but as long as you have the idea of a self, to that extent all 5 maccariya can arise. (2) The practice leading to the complete removal of maccariya is the Noble Eight Fold Path. In the Noble dhamma, when you realize the origin & cessation of something, that's when you realize it can be removed. Therefore contemplate on how one misapprehends feeling as pleasure and as a result mental volition happen. – ahtisarw Jul 03 '19 at 04:12
  • And as a result we say "it is pleasure" when it is really suffering (dukka). Now one utters false speech, etc. (remember: vitakka-vicara is verbal volitional formations - doesn't necessarily speak out loud).
    This might help to understand this: https://visuddhimagga.info/download.php?file=https://anaalaya.blob.core.windows.net/dhamma2018/M_E_HaliddakaniSutta_30_03_2018.mp4
    – ahtisarw Jul 03 '19 at 04:20
  • So ahtisarw is wiser then the elders and the Buddha? -> see own answer at 2. Is householder ahtisarw wake and able to listen or is there running a loop sequence. A Noble Person might still grasp after things, but since knowing by himself that sense and objects are no refuge, would not grasphold on them => void of maccharia. See Vissuddhimagga for details as householder seems to like it. So again, what are the specific practices toward this kind of maccharia.
  • –  Jul 03 '19 at 05:25
  • As example: as for training to let go of material things (lābha maccharia) people do engage into Dana. What about listening in lowered position when possible knowledgeable tell something? Isn't vanna macchariya most hindering? –  Jul 03 '19 at 05:32