Answering questions here in buddhism.stackexchange.com is often Dhamma teaching, or at least an effort of it. How can that be rightly done?
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See also Which early canonical references help one find a skillful teacher? – ChrisW Jul 10 '20 at 10:12
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I think most of the people contributing on Buddhism.SE do not qualify to call themselves Dhamma teachers. Their answers also cannot be considered a Dhamma teaching.
The following is a better approximation, from Mahāgosiṅga Sutta (MN 32):
“Reverend Sāriputta, it’s when two mendicants engage in discussion about the teaching. They question each other and answer each other’s questions without faltering, and their discussion on the teaching flows on. That’s the kind of mendicant who would beautify this park.”
As a side note - a question arose in the comments whether the MN 32 quote should be translated as "about the teaching / Dhamma" (Sujato translation) or "on the higher Dhamma (Abhidhamma)" (Bodhi translation).
The following opinion by Bhikkhu Analayo supports the Sujato translation.
From pages 70 - 71 of the book "The Dawn of Abhidharma" by Bhikkhu Analayo:
In the Mahāgosiṅga-sutta and its Madhyama-āgama parallel the reference to “abhidharma talk” or to discussing the “abhidharma” occurs alongside “Dharma talk” or “teaching the Dharma”. This gives the impression that the two terms Dharma and abhidharma are here interchangeable. In the Mahāgosiṅga-sutta, the prefix abhi- would thus convey the sense of “about” or “concerning” the Dharma. The passage would then describe having a talk “about the Dharma” and discussing “about the Dharma”, abhidharma.49
The notion that the prefix abhi- conveys a sense of superiority appears to reflect a later understanding of the implications of the term. In line with later understanding, the commentary on the Dhammasaṅgaṇī, the Atthasālinī, refers to the present passage in support of the authenticity of the Abhidharma-piṭaka as the Buddha’s word.50
A discourse in the Aṅguttara-nikāya describes a group of elder monks seated together “talking abhidharma talk”.51 In this case the Madhyama-āgama parallel does not employ the term abhidharma at all, but rather describes that these monks were “wanting to settle a matter of dispute, namely to discuss what is Dharma and Vinaya, what is the Buddha’s teaching”.52 This case would be in line with the impression that abhidharma talk can simply stand for talk about the Dharma.
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The same from MLDB: “Here, friend Sariputta, two bhikkhus engage in a talk on the higher Dhamma and they question each other, and each being questioned by the other answers without foundering, and their talk rolls on in accordance with the Dhamma. That kind of bhikkhu could illuminate this Gosinga Sala-tree Wood.” – Kumāra Bhikkhu Jul 01 '20 at 06:52
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Here's an example of why I don't follow Aj Sujato's translation: His "discussion about the teaching" is translated from abhidhammakathaṃ, which is much better translated on found in MLDB: "talk on the higher Dhamma". In this case, do you still think this passage is "a better approximation" of "people contributing on Buddhism.SE"? – Kumāra Bhikkhu Jul 01 '20 at 07:11
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@KumāraBhikkhu Bhante, if you see this page, it says: "The literal translation of the term Abhidharma is unclear. Two possibilities are most commonly given: 1. abhi - higher or special + dharma- teaching, philosophy, thus making Abhidharma the higher teachings 2. abhi - about + dharma of the teaching, translating it instead as about the teaching or even meta teaching." – ruben2020 Jul 01 '20 at 15:10
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@KumāraBhikkhu Also, please see the talk by Bhikkhu Bodhi in this video. He holds the opinion that the Abhidhamma was not actually taught by the Buddha, but rather it evolved over time, as an analysis about the Dhamma, by the monks. – ruben2020 Jul 01 '20 at 15:26
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1If abhi means intensification then I wonder if more than "higher" it might mean "condensed" -- i.e. it's only the dhamma, without the narratives of the suttas (that seems to what the PTS dictionary is suggesting) -- or, maybe it's talk "around" or "toward" the dhamma. Apparently the word is hardly used in the suttas, perhaps it was later that it acquired some specific meanings it has now (e.g. to refer to the third category of the Tipitaka). – ChrisW Jul 01 '20 at 16:43
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Ruben, that wisdomlib.org page says it's source is "WikiPedia" but looking into that source, I don't find it there. It has probably been overwritten, and wisdomlib.org is showing an old page. (Anyone can edit a wiki and copy from it.) In any case, if you ask Pali experts (other than Ven Sujato) I doubt you'd find anyone agreeing to "abhi" being translated as "about". You can try a group I'm in: palistudy@yahoogroups.com. You'll find Bhikkhu Bodhi there too. – Kumāra Bhikkhu Jul 02 '20 at 02:35
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@ChrisW and Ruben, "Abhidhamma" is now widely used to refer to Abhidhammatthasangaha, written around 11th century by one Anuruddha. Clearly not by the Buddha. It may also refer to the 3rd Pitaka in both Theravada and Mahayana (though the 2 sets of 7 books are completely different). In both cases, the books came about in stages. Other than Puggalapaññatti, which contains suttas from AN, the rest are either commentaries (e.g. Vibhanga) or new 'developments'. You can say they are "about the Dhamma", but that does not mean "abhidhamma" means "about the Dhamma". – Kumāra Bhikkhu Jul 02 '20 at 02:56
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For further discussion, please go to https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/110082/discussion-on-answer-by-kumra-bhikkhu-how-should-one-teach-the-dhamma-to-others – Kumāra Bhikkhu Jul 02 '20 at 03:02
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@KumāraBhikkhu Bhante, I have updated the answer to support "about the Dhamma", from a book quote by Bhikkhu Analayo. – ruben2020 Jul 02 '20 at 03:27
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@ruben2020 I've responded to your addition in the chat room linked above. – Kumāra Bhikkhu Jul 02 '20 at 06:36
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Do you think you've answered the question "How should one teach the Dhamma to others?" – Kumāra Bhikkhu Jul 02 '20 at 07:56
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1@KumāraBhikkhu I've seen someone else previously post something like, "1) According to the suttas (and the vinaya) there are specific ways and preconditions for teaching dhamma; and, 2) What you lay people are doing here, on Stack Exchange, is definitely not it." So I think that ruben2020 might have been addressing that part of the question, in replying that, "We don't imagine we're exactly teaching here, many of us don't imagine we're teachers, it's more like maybe sharing or conversing about". – ChrisW Jul 02 '20 at 12:04
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The question was "Answering questions here in buddhism.stackexchange.com is often Dhamma teaching, or at least an effort of it. How can that be rightly done?" - so my answer is that most people here are not qualified Dhamma teachers, and so we're simply sharing and discussing - and I quoted a precedent from the suttas. How to teach the Dhamma was already adequately covered by Ven. Kumara's answer citing the Udayi Sutta. – ruben2020 Jul 02 '20 at 13:43
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"Sharing or conversing about" is better done in a webforum, like DhammaWheel.com. SE simply isn't designed for free-flow discussion. – Kumāra Bhikkhu Jul 03 '20 at 09:27
From Udayi Sutta (AN5.159):
"It's not easy to teach the Dhamma to others, Ananda. The Dhamma should be taught to others only when five qualities are established within the person teaching. Which five?
"[1] The Dhamma should be taught with the thought, 'I will speak step-by-step.'
"[2] The Dhamma should be taught with the thought, 'I will speak explaining the sequence [of cause & effect].'
"[3] The Dhamma should be taught with the thought, 'I will speak out of compassion.'
"[4] The Dhamma should be taught with the thought, 'I will speak not for the purpose of material reward.'
"[5] The Dhamma should be taught with the thought, 'I will speak without hurting myself or others.'
"It's not easy to teach the Dhamma to others, Ananda. The Dhamma should be taught to others only when these five qualities are established within the person teaching."
Source: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an05/an05.159.than.html
I want to highlight this sutta to everyone who wants to teach Dhamma/Dharma here or elsewhere.
Some comments:
[1] Aj Thanissaro's "step-by-step" is translate from ānupubbī, meaning "gradually". This means we should not teach what is beyond the ability of the listener. This implies that we should first understand the listener's situation.
[2] I'm not sure why he translates pariyāyadassāvī as "explaining the sequence". Although pariyāya can mean "sequence", translating it this way makes this point a repetition of the first. Pariyāya has a range of meanings, and in this context I think it means "way" or "habit", as in "mental way/habit" (cetopariyāya). Thus, as a whole, pariyāyadassāvī is "(as) one who sees of the (mental) habit". In modern terms, this point means we need to understand human psychology.
[3] This point should be plain enough, but let me point out that "compassion" is not translated from karuṇā but from anuddayata, which I prefer to translate as "kindness".
[4] "For the purpose of material reward" is somewhat loosely translated from āmisantaro but I'm happy enough with it. Although in SE you wouldn't get any physical reward, the reputation points and badges are enough to be considered "material" (as opposed to "spiritual"). Are you greedy for that?
[5] The last point suggest that we should check what we're actually doing as we try to teach. "Hurting" in general means decreasing our good qualities, increasing the defilements, strengthening the ego, thus ultimately increasing suffering. So, in the name of "teaching Dhamma", are we hurting ourselves? Or hurting others? Instead of helping them, are we causing them to be greedier, feel small, or in any other way increase their defilements and suffering?
Please reflect on this.
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Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. – ChrisW Jul 01 '20 at 08:17
Answering questions here in buddhism.stackexchange.com is often Dhamma teaching, or at least an effort of it. How can that be rightly done?
Not necessary. It's Dhamma "teaching" only if one's confident that s/he's gained mastery of the Dhamma both in theory and in practice. Short of any of those factors and it's more like Dhamma "sharing", where one shares suttas/comys. references and any related backup literatures in the hope that they can address the inquiry raised by the OP. And so, by sharing, just providing personal opinion is simply not sufficient. Always follow up with supporting evidence from the suttas/comys/related literatures, etc.
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Good kindly question; Sharing The Dharma correctly, appropriately, kindly, compassionately, sincerely, openly, forthrightly, unattachedly, generously, & nicely etc, is 'good'!!!
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1Sorry I converted this to a comment -- I thought you meant it as a comment ("Good question!") and didn't realise you intended it as an answer. I've now converted it back to answer for you, here. – ChrisW Jun 30 '20 at 19:17
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1Your kind & thoughtful comment is much appreciated: was one keystroke from deleting the account. Bless You: the answer preface was intended as a friendly complimentary remark, and the answer intended as attempt to synopsise and clarify & somewhat distill a large amount of material, yet retain the meaning for readers & interested beings, And was intended to be relatively concise, perhaps as thoughtful contrast for readers as to some of the plainer message of The Teachings of The Buddha OM – M H Jun 30 '20 at 19:29